April 3, 1924


Hon. GEORGE P. GRAHAM (Minister of Railways and Canals) moved that the House go into committee to consider the following proposed resolution: That it is expedient to bring in a measure to provide for the construction of a Canadian National Railway line from a point at mile 58.3 near Deerholme on the Vancouver island main line of the Canadian Northern Pacific railway, in a generally easterly direction to Cowichan bay, in the province of British Columbia; estimated mileage includng existing gradng 8 miles; estimated cost, $358,000. Motion agreed to and the House went into committee, Mr. Gordon in the chair:


LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

The memorandum which I have in regard to this branch line reads:

Cowichan bay, Mile 0-8-

Proposed in 1924-8 miles grade $230,000

Proposed in 1925-8 miles track 128,000

In 1924 it is the intention to do the grading and bridging on the 8 miies at a cost of $230,000, and in 1925 to lay the track on it and complete it at a cost for that year of $128,000.

The purpose of this line is to make a short routing to tide-water for timber and its products from Van-

C.N.R. Branch Lines

couver island line. This would shorten the route 52 miles as against the haul to tidewater at Victoria. Besides shortening the route it would make a possible location for dumping of logs at tidewater, as there is not suitable location at Victoria for this purpose.

The construction of this line will make possible the hauling of logs off the Vancouver island line, which at present has a length which is prohibitive.

There are a large number of timber owners who stand ready to go into a big development of timber and its products as soon as this line is completed.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

This is a matter about which I do not know very much, and I am going to ask my hon. friend to give us a few more particulars. I take it from what he has just said that he is going to build a logging railway.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It is from an existing railway to tidewater.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

From the explanation, there is no other object. Is that right?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I would like to get what my hon. friend means in distinguishing a logging railway from another.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

These logging railways are put in by the different logging concerns interested in the matter and they are not put in by the system. I have a distinct knowledge of logging railways. I have had to do some work in connection with them in British Columbia. Will my hon. friend look into this and let us have the information? If there is nothing more to be said of the matter than what he has read, it would appear that this is merely a logging railway and the county should not be put to that expense. How many miles of line are already constructed in connection with this bit of railway?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

About fifty-eight, I think.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Is this the line on which we now have the motor car service?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I have not that information.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I do not know how the situation stands now, but we used to have only a motor car service on one of these lines, at any rate. There was not enough business to run a train. Does the minister know anything about that?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

The object of this bill is to get connection between the line and tidewater. I will try to get some more information, but it seems to me that there would be a great development of the timber-carrying trade. To haul the timber to Victoria to get to tidewater, as the memorandum states, the mileage is altogether too great; but if this short branch of eight miles were constructed, it

would enable the timber to be carried on this railway and it would induce a development in that trade to get to tidewater by a very few miles' hauling.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

What lumber is carried now on the railway? All of the lumber is not fifty-eight miles from tidewater.

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LIB
CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I was not referring to the extension; J was referring to the existing fifty-eight miles of track, as the hon. member knows. I am asking again what lumber is carried on that existing fifty-eight miles of track?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Just this explanation which my hon. friend did not get. I would imagine the haulage to Victoria was very great. The memorandum reads:

The construction of this line will make possible the hauling of logs off the Vancouver island line, which at present has a length which is prohibitive.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Is all the lumber at the far end of the line?

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

Perhaps the minister, when he comes back, will be kind enough to have a little information as to this line of fifty-eight miles, what the service is, whether the truth is, as my recollection goes, that you have only a motor car service on it, or whether a good deal of business is done, because we have no information now.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

I might say from what I know of the timber on Vancouver island that I would not be at all surprised, if this line were built, if enough revenue were received from it to pay for the building of it in the first twelve months after it is completed.

Sir HENRY DRAYTON; Is this a logging line, or what?

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April 3, 1924