April 1, 1924


On the Orders of the Day.


PRO

John Livingstone Brown

Progressive

Mr. J. L. BROWN (Lisgar):

With reference to the amount advanced to the western provinces some years ago for relief in the matter of seed grain, and against which the government is holding the money that is in their hands, the surplus from the Wheat Board, can the minister tell me how much, if any, of those sums advanced are properly chargeable against Manitoba?

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LIB

James Alexander Robb (Minister of Immigration and Colonization)

Liberal

Hon. J. A. ROBB (Acting Minister of Finance) :

I just happened to have under my

hand and was reading at the moment-I did not know my hon. friend was going to ask the question-a memorandum from the Department of Finance, dated February 14, 1924, which reads-

Seed grain in relief account, principal outstanding on March 31st, 1923-

This is including interest.

Manitoba

Saskatchewan

Alberta

British Columbia

I have left out the odd cents

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PACIFIC HALIBUT FISHERY


Hon. P. J. A. CARDIN (Minister of Marine and Fisheries) moved the second reading of Bill 21, to amend the Northern Pacific Halibut Fishery Protection Act. Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, and the House went into committee thereon, Mr. Gordon in the chair. On section 1-Nationals or inhabitants of Canada or United States and ships registered therein or belonging to them, liable to seizure. [Mr. Deslauriers.j


CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I hope the minister will

give us a complete explanation of the reason for and the need for this legislation.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

As I have already explained, the amendments relate to section 6 of the act, which was passed last year. We desire to amend section 6 by adding after the words "in prohibited waters" the words "during the close season". As the section was enacted last year it might be argued that fishing for halibut was prohibited all the year. The words "during the close season" were omitted. This is the amendment we intend to make in section 6. The other amendment is in section 9. We intend to repeal this section, because it is a mere repetition of section 5.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The bill is just one

instalment of corrections of the government's errors of last session.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

I really have not had time to consider it fully. There is a reference regarding vessels seized by Canadian customs officers. The last section that the minister mentions referred to section 9 of the act. What was the reason for the repealing of that clause?

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

This clause reads as follows:

Every ship, vessel or boat which is foreign or not navigated according to the laws of the United Kingdom or of Canada may be seized.

If my hon. friend will refer to section 5 he will find that it says:

Every ship, vessel, or boat, including all furniture, apparel, appliances, gear, tackle and rigging thereof, which is in any manner operated or used for the purpose of committing an offence against the act or for aiding or facilitating the commission of any such offence may be seized.

So that my hon. friend will see that clause 9 is almost a repetition of what is said in clause 5; and in addition to that I may add that clause 9 may be taken as stating that only foreign vessels are liable to be seized according to the law, because it says that "every ship, vessel or boat which is foreign may be seized."

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I understand that the

minister says that clause 9 as it stands is virtually a repetition of clause 5, but he says that clause 9 contains in addition the words "which is foreign." Then clause 5 does not contain these words I presume?

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is intended to apply

to every ship, foreign and domestic. That is so described in this clause. Does clause 5 contain the words "which is foreign?"

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

In respect to clause 6

what in the world has the government been doing all this past year? The way the act reads up to now, any ship that did what is stated here either in close season or open season would be liable to seizure. So that,

I presume, all this year while the act was in force no ship operated at all.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

The act is not in force.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Oh, I understand. This

still awaits the action of the Senate of the United States? .

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is fortunate the

United States Senate provided the government with time to repair its error.

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LIB

Pierre-Joseph-Arthur Cardin (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. CARDIN:

There is always time to

repair errors.

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April 1, 1924