March 28, 1924

CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

If the minister remembers the question I asked him does he feel like making an answer yet?

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William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

In regard to the

policy of the department?

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

My right hon.

friend has not recognized it although I have been trying to describe it all along.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I confess I did not recognize it.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I asked the minister

what principle he was following in a year ago coming to the House and asking for a largely increased appropriation.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes, last year. Last

year in this estimate my hon. friend asked for an increased appropriation of $200,000 over the year before and this year he is asking for $125,000 less. The general estimates of his department also were increased last year, and are decreased this year by $1,269,000. What has impelled the minister to take that course? If

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he is right this year was he not wrong last year; and if he was right last year is he not wrong this year? I am prepared to come back at eight o'clock if the minister would rather think over his answer for a while.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I do not want to sit

here and hear the minister pretend to answer by talking about chilled beef.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

My right lion,

friend has been paying very little attention because I have been explaining the matter ever since I started.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Well, the minister gave

us an harangue about chilled beef and told us about the money he had lost. In the meantime is the minister prepared to abandon everything else he made a failure of as well as the shipping of chilled beef?

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William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

My right hon.

friend does not seem to know the difference between a "failure" and an "experiment." Why. the worst failure often turns out the biggest success; my right hon. friend does not realize that. The very fact that we lost money will be a warning to others not to try it. I have explained the question of there being an increased vote last year. I will take my right hon. friend's statement that it was $200,000. This year we are reducing the vote for experimental farms by $125,000. I explained that we would be able to conduct the farms without any very great loss of efficiency and still save $125,000, but we would have to defer some of the expansion contemplated. We would have to put off the expansion at the Brandon farm that is needed very badly. We would have to cut off some of the frills and flounces, instead of taking care of the lawns and the borders and the boulevards-all of which should be repaired for receiving company. We will have to be less careful, we will have to disregard some of these little features that experimental farms are expected to have. The farms are supposed1 to be in apple pie order and not to get into a careless or slovenly state, but it takes some money to make them look attractive all the time. However some cutting is needed and we have done it without affecting the usefulness of these institutions. In the Maritime provinces some of these farms are very rough. Take the Fredericton farm. I have always endeavoured not to criticize my predecessors in the establishment of these farms and I am not going to do so now except to state that that was a

very expensive farm to clear up. Last year we spent a considerable sum of money, I was there when they were at it. It will give some idea of the kind of soil it was when I state that we have to plough with oxen so rough, stony and stumpy is the ground. It certainly was very expensive land to clear. We will put a stop to the clearing of that land until our revenues are more buoyant. The same may be said of the farm at Kentville.

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LIB

William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

I do not know and I do not care much. The year 1910 I understand from my deputy. An addition of twenty-three acres was made to the Kentville farm a year ago but the land is exceedingly rough and requires some clearing up. We will have to abstain from these improvements in view of our policy of retrenchment at this time.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Why were not the frills, and flounces and boulevards cut out last year?

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Because the minister has been a party to the statement that we are in better condition this year, that there is greater prosperity in Canada than last year.

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William Richard Motherwell (Minister of Agriculture)

Liberal

Mr. MOTHERWELL:

The reason the expenditure is cut out this year is because there is an united effort all along the line to make the budget of this Dominion balance, and we all have to do our share.

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March 28, 1924