March 27, 1924

QUESTIONS AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

I desire to call the attention of yourself, Mr. Speaker, and of the government to question No. 8, which reads as follows:

1. What royal commissions have been appointed since the present government came into office?

2. How much has each commission cost the country -(a) in remuneration to the commissioners; and (b) in expenses or other outlay?

3. What of these commissions are now m existence?

Why that question should stand as an order for return is a mystery to me. The answer must be relatively brief. Although the numbers of commissions are rather extensive, still, to make it an order for return and keep it out of Hansard is merely a ridiculous abuse of the rule.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Hon. A. B. COPP (Secretary of State):

As my right hon. friend knows, these inquiries are in the ordinary course sent out to the different departments with a request that the information be furnished. I find that in one of the answers a statement has been included of the work in which the royal commissions in question have been engaged. I hold the statement in my hand, and my right hon. friend will see that it is quite long, consisting of about eight pages.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I am not responsible for that. I did not ask for that at all.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

As the return has been made

in this form it seems to me that under the circumstances the question should be made an order for return. I do not think it is necessary to have all these details spread upon Hansard.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I must protest against

this reasoning, that because the minister's staff insist on answering a lot that is not asked, the government should make the question an order for return. I want only what is asked, and certainly less than half a page would contain the whole information.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

It seems to me that if the

different departments feel that the information ought to be furnished in whole instead of in part, the matter should be dealt with as an order for return.

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

The House knows as

well as I do of the drastic rule, No. 37-*

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Rule 37, subsection 4,

provides that:

If a question is of such a nature that in the opinion of the minister who is to furnish the reply, such reply should be in the form of a return, and the minister states that he has no objection to laying such return upon the Table of the House, his statement shall, unless otherwise ordered by the House, be deemed an Order of the House to that effect and the same shall be entered in the Votes and Proceedings as such.

I am, of course, governed by that rule.

Postal Service Salaries

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POSTAL SERVICE SALARIES


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. H. H. STEVENS (Vancouver Centre):

May I ask the Prime Minister if the government has definitely promised a revision of the postal service salaries during this present session, and if so, is it the intention of the government to make such revision retroactive to April 1923?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister):

In answer to my hon.

friend, I stated in the House a few days ago that the government intended having an immediate revision made of the salaries of the Civil Service, which will, of course, include the salaries of the clerks to which he has just referred. The government is proceeding in accordance with that undertaking. As to whether or not there will be anything in the nature of retroactive action will depend upon the recommendation made by the Civil Service Commission in that regard.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

May I ask one further question? In view of the fact that the Post Office Department has been reorganized, and in view of the further fact that it would take perhaps a long time to complete the total revision, is the government prepared to consider an early revision of the salaries of the Postal Department as distinct from the whole Service?

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I might say

that the government has already had representations along the line my hon. friend has just mentioned, and it was our intention to see that those representations were made known to the Civil Service Commission. We will expect the commission to take them into account in connection with the revision.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

I would judge from what the Prime Minister has said that the Civil Service Commission is to make the revision of salaries. Is he aware that the Civil Service Commission is just a little more than through with the last revision?

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Mr MACKENZIE KING:

No.

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March 27, 1924