June 7, 1923

QUESTIONS


(Questions answered orally are indicated by an asterisk). W. F. WOOD: STEPHEN P. CARNEY


MILITIA PENSION ACT, AMENDMENT


Hon. E. M. MACDONOLD (Pictou), (Acting Minister of National Defence) moved that the House go into committee at the next sitting to consider the following proposed resolution: Resolved, (1) That it is expedient to amend the provisions of the Militia Pension Act by providing that the period of service entitling officers, retired compulsorily, to pension, shall be twenty years* and that any officer so retired, who served on active service during the Great War and was appointed to the Force on or after the 1st January, 1919, and prior to 31st December, 1921, and since such appointment has served continuously in the Force for not less than ten years, shall be entitled to pension as provided in section four of the said Act. (2) That the period of service required of every militiaman to entitle him to pension shall be twenty years, or fifteen years if incapacitated for duty by infirmity of mind or body, and he shall be subject to return to service if he ceases to be incapacitated, and if he has completed fifteen but less than twenty years service, his pension shall be an annual sum equal to one-fiftieth of his annual pay and allowances for every completed year of service. He said: His Excellency the Governor General, having been informed of the subject matter of the resolution, has given his consent thereto and commends it to the consideration of the House.


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Would the minister take this occasion to let us know the exact effect of the resolution, for purposes of discussion?

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald (Minister of National Defence; Minister Without Portfolio)

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD (Pictou):

I have not my memorandum by me, but in a general

way I might explain that the original provisions of the Militia Pension Act stipulated that the period of service entitling them to pensions of both officers and men should be twenty years. In 1919, the period was reduced to ten years. It is now proposed to return to the former standard and provide that the service shall be twenty years. It has been found, particularly among non-commissioned officers and men, that many persons have been taking advantage of the shorter period to leave the service in order to secure the pension. I shall be prepared to deal with the matter fully when the resolution is in committee.

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CON

Thomas Langton Church

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CHURCH:

Mr. Speaker, before the motion is adopted-

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LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. There can be no debate on the motion at this stage. When the resolution is in committee the hon. gentleman will, of course, have an opportunity to discuss it.

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Motion agreed to.


RETURNED SOLDIERS' INSURANCE


Hon. H. S. BELAND (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment) _ moved that the House go into committee at the next sitting to consider the following proposed resolution : Resolved, That it is expedient to amend The Returned Soldiers' Insurance Act by providing,- (1) That in any case where an application for insurance under the said Act has been received, and the applicant has died prior to the delivery to him of the policy of insurance, the approval of the application by the proper officer and the receipt of the initial premium shall be deemed to have been sufficient to put the insurance into force, unless it can be shown that the application was fraudulent, and any insurance moneys which would have been payable had the policy been delivered to the applicant shall now be made payable, subject to a deduction of the amount of premium due from the date of application to the date of death. (2) That any applications which were rejected prior to 1st July, 1922, under any conditions set forth in section 2 of the amending Act of 1922, or the schedule thereto, shall be reviewed, except in cases where the applicant is suffering or has become impaired as a result of self-inflicted wounds or immoral conduct, or where the application was fraudulent, and provision be made to give the right on such review to any applicant now living to insure, and if the applicant has died, the amount of insurance for which he applied shall now be made payable, less the amount which would have been due as premium from the date of application to the date of death, notwithstanding that no effective insurance contract was completed, and provided that the application was approved. He said: His Excellency the Governor General having been informed of the subject matter of the resolution has given his consent and recommends it to the consideration of the House. I do not know whether any explanation should be forthcoming at this stage. Dry Dock Subsidies but I will content myself with saying at the moment that there is a slight deficiency in the phrasing of the second section of the resolution which carries the proviso: "Provided that the application was approved." The meaning intended is, provided a sufficient time has elapsed after the application in order that, in the ordinary course of procedure, it might have had an opportunity of being either approved or rejected. When the resolution is before the House in committee I shall fully explain it.


LIB

Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

In justice to the hon.

member for North Toronto (Mr. Church) I beg to state that I was in error a minute ago when I ruled him out of order. He is entitled to address the House. Rule 17A is so involved that sometimes I am inclined to make too drastic a decision under it.

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Motion agreed to.


DRY DOCK SUBSIDIES


Hon. J. H. KING (Kootenay, Minister of Public Works) moved that the House go into committee at the next sitting to consider the following proposed resolution: That it is expedient to amend the Dry Dock Subsidies Act, 1910, and amending acts, and to provide that when the amount expended for the work and materials upon a dock of the first or second class shall have equalled seventy-five per cent of the cost thereof, and the Chief Engineer of the Department of Public Works shall have certified thereto, half yearly payments at the rate of four and one-half per cent per annum may be made on ninety per cent of the cost of the work done and materials provided at the time of such payment. He said: His Excellency the Govenor General has been made conversant with the subject matter of the resolution and recommends it to the consideration of the House.


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Right Hon. ARTHUR MEIGHEN (Leader of the Opposition):

Mr. Speaker, I think

the minister might give an explanation and, if possible, a defence of this resolution. It strikes me as a most remarkable one. It apparently provides that when a certain fraction of a work is done interest may be paid on a much larger fraction. Will the minister intimate to the House the case that is to be affected by this resolution?

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Hon. W. S. FIELDING (Minister of Finance) :

I do not say it is not in order,

but it is exceedingly unusual at the first stage of these resolutions to call for an explanation. I should think that in the general interest of the business of the House it is not a desirable practice. I do not want to raise any question of order, but in all my

experience I cannot recall a case where an explanation has been called for at the moment the formal motion was made.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Explanations are not

very frequently demanded, but they are undoubtedly in order. I am not encouraging the practice, but we are going into Committee of the Whole-

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LIB

William Stevens Fielding (Minister of Finance and Receiver General)

Liberal

Mr. FIELDING:

Not now.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

-and will not then have an opportunity to debate the general principle.

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June 7, 1923