June 1, 1923

PRO

John Millar

Progressive

Mr. MILLAR:

Are the seed grain transactions we are discussing entirely separate and distinct from the purchases made by the Seed Purchasing Commission?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The latter are under the Department of Agriculture.

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PRO

John Millar

Progressive

Mr. MILLAR:

They are not included in

this item?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

No.

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

I understood from the answer given by the minister to the hon. member for Kindersley (Mr. Carmichael) that part of this money being voted is for relief given in the year 1914. If that is so I think the matter would stand close investigation. I think it absolutely wrong that municipalities should be shouldered with the debt incurred in the matter of granting relief. It was the result of that campaign because you can term it nothing else. The dried out areas in the West were supposed to be given relief. It was on what was expected to be the eve of an election and the relief extended far beyond the bounds of the dried out areas; it was granted to people

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- who were in no way in need of relief. Considerable relief was given to people in the municipality in which I live, and since that time we have come through much worse periods of stress. With respect to my own municipality all that an individual had to do was to get on the train, go up to a certain town on the line, make his own representations to the so-called relief officer who knew nothing whatever of the circumstances and come away with relief in the shape of an order on the stores in the district for groceries, flour or fuel. Now, why should a municipality be made to bear the expense of that relief?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

They are not responsible for it.

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PRO

John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON:

I understood the minister to say that in reply to a question.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

They are not sponsible only for the obligations they assumed themselves, not for any obligations assumed by the government to the homesteaders. Obligations were taken on in 1917, 1918 and 1919 by the municipalities themselves. When the government of the province and the government of the Dominion refused to go on with relief, the municipalities issued relief in their own names under municipal officers. That is the relief I was discussing with my hon. friend from Kindersley.

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Item agreed to. Amount required to provide relief by way of necessary supplies of food, clothing, fuel etc., also fodder for animals to needy settlers of the provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan by co-operation and agreement with the provincial governments or otherwise, and under regulations to be made by the Governor in Council, $125,000.


PRO

George Gibson Coote

Progressive

Mr. COOTE:

Would the minister tell us

what was spent of the amount voted last year under this item?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We spent.

$232,250 out of what was voted last year.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

If grants have been made for this purpose to other provinces I should like to know why the minister could not extend any assistance to settlers in the Nicola valley in British Columbia. The minister was out there last year and he learned for himself that the Nicola valley was practically cleaned out owing to depredations by grasshoppers. The minister will remember that we applied for some assistance but were turned down. Now, am I to understand that fodder was supplied to other provinces and not to British Columbia?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

The assistance only applied to homesteaders or people

Supply-Interior

on Crown lands in any of the western provinces. I do not suppose my hon. friend's representations would come under that category. Some of the settlers would be on lands owned by the province but in most of the cases the lands would be privately owned and under municipal organization, would they not?

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

There are some under the provinces and some in the railway belt. There are quite a number of homesteaders there.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I do not

recollect an application being turned down where it was warranted. This was paid out generally by the provincial government and the Dominion. I cannot recollect any application coming from the homesteaders in the Nicola valley.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

The minister surely remembers being out there, and that the provincial government were prepared to stand their part of the expense.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We usually leave the matter to them but, of course, we are prepared to co-operate with them.

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PRO

Thomas George McBride

Progressive

Mr. McBRIDE:

Yes, but if the Dominion government was spending money in other provinces it certainly should have spent some in the Nicola valley.

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PRO

Robert Gardiner

Progressive

Mr. GARDINER:

I think my hon. friend from British Columbia does not understand the circumstances. In British Columbia the government own and control the lands in that province.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Not in the railway belt.

The Dominion owns the railway belt.

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June 1, 1923