April 17, 1923

CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Well, the rates were lower and were approved by the commission.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

No doubt the rates were lower.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Certainly and came under the commission just the same as any other rates submitted to them and assessed by them.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Does my right hon. friend mean to say that those rates legally came under the Board of Railway Commissioners?

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Of course they did, subject to the effect of the original agreement.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Certainly, I have stated that, but the original agreement had no practical effect-the minister will now either contradict me or agree-the original agreement had no practical effect until 1917.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

When the rates became higher.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes-when the conditions were such that it would have been the duty of the commission, entirely aside from this agreement, to make the rates higher. Consequently, the act of 1897 was, in effect, a dead letter until 1917. This cannot be contradicted. If it can, I invite contradiction,-that the rates would have been the same if the act had never existed.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Very good; from the time the Railway Act came into effect until 1917 the rates would have been just the same if there had been no Crowsnest pass agreement at all.

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PRO
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Certainly.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Quite right. What I have said is the fact all the same.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

If the Crowsnest pass agreement had never existed then, in so far as the period from 1903 when the commission was established up to 1917 is concerned, during those fourteen years, the actual rates in effect would have been exactly what they were.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of National Defence)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

Would this not be the case: Conditions arose and it was found necessary to have higher rates than those in the Crowsnest pass agreement. Then was it not necessary to change the law? [DOT]

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Mr MEIGHEN:

Yes, I am just getting to that point.

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Mr GRAHAM:

That is my case.

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April 17, 1923