March 23, 1923

LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I did not expect to be asked that question.

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

What alteration has been made in the old regulations as a matter of fact?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

At the moment we are admitting only merchants and students. Labourers will not be admitted. The bill proposes the abolition of the head tax. Hut that does not mean very .much as no labourers will be coming in. Students come in simply for educational purposes.

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

What meaning does my hon. friend attach to the word "merchant"?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We have found it very diflScult to define who is a merchant, but I have a proposal to make when the bill comes down that I hope will meet with the approval of the House.

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UFA

William Thomas Lucas

United Farmers of Alberta

Mr. LUCAS:

How many Chinese came into Canada during the past year as compared with the year before?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

For the fiscal year 1921-22 there were 1,459 admissions subject to and 287 admissions exempt from head tax. For the eleven months of this fiscal year there were 617 admissions.

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CON
LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Yes.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

Children coming to join their parents here?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Those figures give the total admissions in both cases.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

Doc:( the minister know whether the figures are correct?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I am giving

the figures as they are given to me.

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CON

William Garland McQuarrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. McQUARRIE:

Of course, I do not doubt the minister's statement at all, but I understand that every boat reaching Yancouver from China carries quite a large number of Chinese children. This is another way in which the Chinese evade the regulations. We all know that the greater proportion of Chinese who seek admission claim to be merchants, and I think the minister will have a great deal of difficulty in defining a merchant in his bill, because the wily Chinese always finds a way to get around any restrictive regulations. The minister should be very careful in framing his definition. It will be a mistake if under his proposed bill merchants are allowed to enter to carry on business here permanently. Chinese merchants might be given permits to come in and carry on business temporarily, but we shall be faced with a very grave danger if we allow them to remain here permanently. ,1 would suggest to the minister that Chinese merchants who desire to live here permanently should be excluded, for if you allow a Chinaman to enter as a merchant you at once lose control over him and he can engage in any occupation that appeals to him. I think also the minister should insert a provision in his bill to deport students who remain in the country after they have finished their university courses. As the law now stands it appears that once a Chinese is admitted as a student he can engage in any occupation he chooses to take up and it is impossible to deport him. A Chinaman is supposed to have several wives, and we can readily believe this when we see so many Chinese children sent to this country to join their supposed parents here. I should like to hear from the minister what investigation is made in reference to such children and whether the department is able to ascertain beyond question that the large number ' who are now entering Canada are really the children of Chinese already resident here.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I think perhaps my hon. friend knows more about the difficulties of controlling Chinese immigration than I do. I had a very bright Chinese boy in my office the other night, in fact as bright a Chinese lad as I have ever seen. He is here on permit, and his case has been under investigation for four weeks. A Chinaman here swears that he is the boy's father; and the boy swears that he is the son of the Chinaman.

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An hon. MEMBER:

How can he swear that?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Well, the boy is under twelve years of age, so perhaps it is not proper to say that he swears to the fact. But he alleges that he is the son of a Chinaman in Toronto. A number of Chi-

Supply-Immigration

nese people in Toronto say they were in China at the date of the birth of this boy, and that he is really the son of the Chinaman referred to. We do not think he is. There is certain contradictory evidence which would indicate that perhaps this is a case where the complaint of my hon. friend is justified. I merely mention this incident to show the difficulties we are confronted with. Taking it by and large my hon. friend is right as to the large number of Chinese children being sent to this country. Once it became known that the bill I have referred to would be introduced a lot of Chinese nationals resident in Canada attempted to bring in their children from China before the bill became law, and frankly we are suspicious that many of these children are not really the offspring of the men who are endeavouring -to get them into this country.

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CON

John Lawrence Stansell

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STANSELL:

Has the minister investigated the merits of the blood test in this connection?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

We have

not resorted to any blood tests.

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CON

March 23, 1923