March 23, 1923

CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I notice further that for the purposes of the agreement we are to have regulations. I wonder whether my hon. friend could not give the committee some idea as to what regulations he will adopt for the purposes of assisting and helping the immigrant, on the one hand, and protecting the country, on the other. The whole thing is to be done by way of regulations. Does he propose new regulations? Is so, in what connection does he need anything new?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

There is very little needed. I regret that I did not before inform the committee that we expect the Overseas Settlement Board to join in the third scheme. That is the hope but there will be this difference in connection with it, that we shall be responsible for the whole amount. Of course it will be divided between the Overseas government and the federal government of Canada, but we shall be responsible for the repaymnt of the whole amount. That is the difference between the domestic scheme and that of the nominated passage. But it is only on account of the Salvation Army that we escape the responsibility for the half furnished by the British government in the scheme for bringing out domestics. The regulations are much along the lines that I have explained. Arrangements have been made with the banks, and they understand what we propose doing. As these bonds come in properly filled out we send them forward.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Just a word further in regard to putting a detailed statement be-for us so we may have an opportunity to consider it during the week end. Practically every member is on two or three committees, some of which are sitting twice a day, and it is only on Saturdays and Mondays that we have a chance to attend to anything outside that work. For this reason I hope the minister will give us, even although it be only in brief outline, particulars of the items under which the $1,800,000 will be spent. Unfortunately most of the Progressive members are from the extreme ends of the Dominion and do not go home over the week end, so they will be here and in a position to study these particulars. If the minister adopts this suggestion I am sure it will expedite the passage of these items.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I had in mind that hon. members would be having a week's rest. -

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

We would like an opportunity to consider these particulars before Monday afternoon if possible. Could the minister not give us a brief outline of the expenditures?

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

They are

innumerable.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

All we want is a brief outline of the heads under which the $1,800,000 will be spent.

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PRO
LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I should like to have the assisted passage scheme disposed of, because until it is settled I am unable to say definitely to the British government whether we can begin or not.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

If the minister does not intend to go on with it next week he could put the items on Hansard later.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I can put them on to-night.

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PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

As we have had a pretty full explanation regarding the $600,000 vote I would suggest that it be passed.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

It would

facilitate business very much if the committee would agree to let it pass.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

I do not think I could agree to that, Mr. Chairman. I should like to have a little more information as to the form of the agreement and the regulations. I would point out to my hon. friend that the way the vote is worded leaves a doubt as to whether he would make his arrangements for nominated passages through the British government. He hopes to, but he is not at all sure about it. At the same time he wants to do business. If he takes his vote this way he cannot do it apart from the agreement. I think he had better consider very carefully whether he wants the bargain in that form.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I had Mr. Edwards draw this agreement after careful consideration of the Overseas Settlement Act. He drew it as best he could in conformity with the act.

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CON

Henry Lumley Drayton

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir HENRY DRAYTON:

If the minister does business under the overseas scheme entirely the agreement is perfectly well drawn. I understood that my hon. friend was going

Interim Supply

to do business under that act as far as children and domestics are concerned, but beyond those classes he was not quite determined how to proceed.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

Oh yes, I have no intention of using any part of this money except in conjunction with the Overseas Settlement Board.

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Item agreed to.


PRO

Robert Forke

Progressive

Mr. FORKE:

I do not think there is any particular hurry for putting the particulars on Hansard to-night.

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LIB

Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil):

I cannot very well give a summary without using all these sheets, involving several hundred names and the amounts mentioned for printing and advertising, in Great Britain $202,000 and in the United States $370,000 if I remember correctly, and a great many other items. Would it be satisfactory to the committee if I prepared a statement of the amounts spent on salaries and advertising and lumped these together? Otherwise it will mean a great deal of detail.

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March 23, 1923