June 22, 1922

PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

Not necessarily so at all. There is nothing wrong, in fact, the Government is to be commended a great deal for seeking the opinion of Parliament on measures that come before it.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Certainly, but the

measure must come before Parliament. They asked the opinion of Parliament before the measure was brought down.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

That is all very well, but if the view of my hon. friend is held to the letter, it simply means that a dozen gentle-

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men composing the Government of this country will decide in Cabinet Council what is good for the country, and then come to Parliament and say; you must take this or turn us out.

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LIB
CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

That is right.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

My right hon. friend says that is right. That certainly is the essence of Toryism.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is the essence of Gladstonian Liberalism, too.

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

Never; Gladstone consulted Parliament.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

After he brought in his measure.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

When my hon. friends have completed their exchange across the floor, I shall be glad to resume. I say that that is the spirit of Toryism in the real sense of the word. Now in matters of government the world is advancing. I sometimes think that one of the great defects of my right hon. friend is that he does not realize that the world is advancing.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I am living in Canada where we have a Government that does not advance.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

Now, I submit that it is a perfectly proper thing for the Government to seek the judgment of Parliament. If a government-let me repeat- in Cabinet Council relying on its own judgment-no matter how good that judgment may be-decides on a measure that it thinks is for the good of the country and comes to Parliament and says, " You must put this measure through or we will have a general election," I certainly cannot endorse that doctrine in the manner in which my right hon. friend does.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I did not say that.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

My right hon. friend

says he did not say that. But if the Government to-day , in power follows that method, if it brings down a measure and says to Parliament, " This measure must go through as we present it to you," what position does it put the members of this House in, or what position does it put its own supporters in?

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Just where they ought to be.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

My right hon. friend

says, " Just the position they ought to be in." Then there is only one conclusion I can come to and that is that then the need of having 235 representatives in this Parliament disappears. We had better send them all home, elect an executive of twelve or fifteen members, and say to them, " You run this country's business just as you think fit."

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LIB

Ernest Lapointe (Minister of Marine and Fisheries)

Liberal

Mr. LAPOINTE:

He is a middle-aged reactionary.

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PRO

Thomas Alexander Crerar

Progressive

Mr. CRERAR:

I am sure that my right hon. friend when he reflects on this will see that there is nothing improper in the opinion of Parliament being secured on a question of this kind. What is the purpose for which we are sent here? We are sent here as representatives of the people, to consider legislation as a Parliament and not to engage mainly in party combats across the floor of the Chamber- often to the detriment of the country. And, Sir, I think this: That if on questions of this kind-let me repeat again- the opinion of Parliament was secured and legislation brought down expressing that opinion it would be a great deal better for this country.

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PRO

George Arthur Brethen

Progressive

Mr. BRETHEN:

I would just like to say that I agree with this resolution as brought down by the Minister of Agriculture and for this reason: In talking with many members of the House I find that there is the desire that this oleomargarine business be restricted in some way, and as this measure is brought in at this time without any arrangement whereby that restriction can be effected, I think it is quite proper that the matter shall go over for a year, and in the meantime that we take the opportunity to consider the question carefully.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I just wish to say a word or two as to the remarks of the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar). The subject that he brings up is wel! worth discussing.

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June 22, 1922