June 8, 1922

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Go ahead.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

On further reference I find that Bourinot, fourth edition, page 354, says:

It is a practice, sanctioned by usage but not by any positive rule, for members in both houses of the Canadian parliament to make personal explanations or ask questions of the Government when the Orders of the Day are called. They make them in reference to an inaccurate report of their speeches in the official record, or in the newspapers.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

That is my view.

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Hewitt Bostock (Speaker of the Senate)

Liberal

Mr. SPEAKER:

I take it that we may consider this incident as disposed of.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The hon. member did not allege any inaccurate report of his speech in a newspaper or in the official record. He did not allege an inaccurate report of his speech at all.

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CHILDREN OF RETURNED SOLDIERS


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Robert James Manion

Conservative (1867-1942)

Hon. R. J. MANION (Fort William and Rainy River):

Mr. Speaker, before the Orders of the Day are proceeded with,

I wish to draw the attention of the hon. Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment (Mr. Beland) to a news item that appeared in the Ottawa Journal this morning, in order that he may have an investigation made. The item deals with the ill-treatment of two children, aged ten years

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and eleven years respectively, whose father was killed at the front, and whose mother it is stated is also dead. These little children were taken charge of by a farmer's wife, who severely ill-treated them. If the facts are correctly stated, these children should be entitled to a pension sufficient for them to be properly looked after. I ask that this very atrocious case be investigated by my hon. friend's department in the interests of the children of returned soldiers and of those who fell at the front. My hon. friend will understand that I am not making this request by way of criticism.

Hon. H S. BELAND (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment): If the

children's father was killed at the front, they undoubtedly are receiving a pension. I will take congizance of the article to which my hon. friend refers, and instruct my officials to have an investigation made immediately.

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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE BUDGET DEBATE-DIVISION


On the Orders of the Day:


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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Right Hon. W. L. MACKENZIE KING (Prime Minister) :

Mr. Speaker, if the House will so permit, I would like to make a reference to the budget debate, which is now proceeding. As hon. members are aware, we had all hoped that the debate would be concluded this evening. I am informed, however, that there are still a number of members who would like to speak, and it is quite apparent that unless they are to be deprived of that privilege it will be impossible to have a division to-night. Indeed, it is very doubtful if it would come by the morning if we sat through the whole night. Under the circumstances the Government deems it wise not to endeavour to curtail the debate in any way, but to permit it to run on. It hardly suits the convenience of hon. members-indeed, it has not been the custom- to have a division on a Friday night or on a Saturday; it is therefore desirable that there should be a definite understanding on that point. If it meets with the approval of hon. members, what the Government would suggest is this: that the debate be continued to-morrow with the understanding that on Saturday, instead of continuing the debate, we take up such estimates as have not yet been passed or some of the non-contentious items appearing among the Government orders. We may then resume the debate on Monday

with the expectation of having a division some time on Tuesday.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

No.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

I would like to add, Mr. Speaker, that before the debate concludes, the hon. Minister of Finance (Mr. Fielding) will doubtless wish to make a statement to the House in the light of the discussion that has been had here and of representations that have been made to him, and may possibly suggest some modifications in the proposals that are now before the House.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The procedure is rather unusual-for the Government to suggest a deviation from its own programme in the conduct of the budget debate, looking to an extension of the debate. It is something that naturally I could not give an answer to at the present moment; the matter has not been mentioned to me before. I would suggest that the debate go on. The whips are doubtless aware of how many more hon. members desire to speak, and they may confer on the matter as the debate proceeds.

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William Lyon Mackenzie King (Prime Minister; President of the Privy Council; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Of course, we have not made the statement without conference with the chief whip, who, I think, has already conferred with the other whips. Certainly the matter would be dealt with by conference between the whips.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN (York) :

I would make the suggestion that we ought to try to have the division to-night.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear.

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William Findlay Maclean

Independent Conservative

Mr. MACLEAN (York) :

Furthermore, if the whips have not come to an arrangement, that being the view of the House, it is their duty to see if they cannot make that arrangement, and to let us know as soon as they can.

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Charles Marcil

Liberal

Mr. MARCIL (Bonaventure):

Hon.

members should not forget that many opportunities of discussing these resolutions in detail will be afforded to them when the House goes into committee. This debate is merely preliminary to the work that has to be done.

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William Alves Boys (Whip of the Conservative Party (1867-1942))

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BOYS:

I may say that the original understanding was that the debate should close on Tuesday last. It was found impossible to carry that arrangement out, owing to the number of members who desired to speak and had not been given an opportunity to do so. We then felt that it could be arranged with certainty to close

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the debate to-night, and up to a few moments ago the understanding, made in perfect good faith-I am not asserting anything but that-was that two Liberals were going to speak and two Conservatives, and that the remainder of this afternoon and to-night should be given to Progressives, twelve of whom, I understood, wanted to speak. I may say that there is a very honest desire on the part of hon. members on this side to come to a vote at this sitting, even if it takes place at three or four o'clock to-morrow morning.

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June 8, 1922