May 12, 1922

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

No, some of that was for the Dominion. About $20,000 was paid by the British Columbia government. At High river the cost was $120,669. Quite a large proportion of that was for construction of the wireless station there and other work in connection with it.

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John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON (Last Mountain):

Would that $120,000 be charged wholly against the province, or would part of it be borne by the Dominion?

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

All by the Dominion, I think. At Victoria. Beach, Man., the expenditure was $66,870; at Sioux Lookout, $35,574; the Ontario government reimbursed the federal government $15,000 of that expenditure; Roberval, Quebec, $31,099; Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, $43,322; Ottawa, $59,512; Haileybury, $1,049.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

Progressive

Mr. KENNEDY (Edmonton) :

Is the

High river station the only one in Alberta? I think most of the timber is in the northern part of the province.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

This is the only station in Alberta. Last year a machine was sent to Jasper for a short time.

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Donald MacBeth Kennedy

Progressive

Mr. KENNEDY (Edmonton):

Is it the intention of the department to extend the work into northern Alberta in view of the fact that this method is more efficient than the other?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I am afraid we cannot promise much extension of the work with the estimate where it is.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

That is a station which was used largely for sea-planes. It was in use during the war. The work performed at that station was not very extensive last year, most of the expenditure representing maintenance.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

We will consult with the provincial government.

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PRO

Oliver Robert Gould

Progressive

Mr. GOULD:

I did not catch from the minister his report for the province of Saskatchewan.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It would be hard to

catch. There was no request from Saskatchewan, and no work was done.

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PRO

Oliver Robert Gould

Progressive

Mr. GOULD:

I am pleased to hear the minister state that fire prevention work over our timber areas would be done by aeroplane, and I merely wish to add that that is the thought which was in the mind3 of our people here when we were talking about the militia estimates, that the air service will do the work in future instead of the militia.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I think the plan is

right of assessing against the provinces the services performed for them, as certain provinces will require more service than others and they should pay proportionately. But what is the value of collecting from the various departments for any services rendered in regard to work formerly done by those departments? It will entail all sorts of bookkeeping and an additional cumbersome organization.

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It is a matter of arrangement between the departments. As Minister of Railways my experience was that whenever anything was to be carried some members of the government got it into their heads that my railways ought to carry it for nothing, and my department was made the goat, and at the end of the year the real showing of the railways was not evidenced in the report. So far as the Dominion treasury is concerned it does not make any difference. But for years past the militia estimates have been severely criticised and economy has been urged. What I had in my mind was this. For example, if the Interior Department wanted to appropriate $50,000 for fire rangers, and this Air Force were not in existence, the Department of the Interior would have to pay for the men engaged in the work. If we do the work for the Interior Depart-

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ment, then the Department of National Defence should not he charged with an expenditure, that ought to be made by the Department of the Interior. I wanted to show the actual expenditure of my department.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The minister has been

pretty frank. The only object he has in mind is to keep the defence estimates down, and thereby be able to show that the Government has kept its pledge.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

If the other men do the same thing it will be all right.

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Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I know he is all right. The Intercolonial Railway when it was operated by the Department of Railways was made the goat-it was supposed to carry everything free. That was all remedied by the late government, so this government will not have to face that condition again.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

I do not see any evidence of that anywhere. I will bring that up on the Orders of the Day.

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May 12, 1922