May 2, 1922

PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Does the minister not think this is an indication of overmanning of the staff? What would the average salary of the 518 people be? The reason I am asking this question is that my information is that the department is very much overmanned, and that there should be a great reduction of staff. The minister's answers to my questions would indicate that.

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Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

The average salary of the men in our employ throughout the country is about $1,200. In the particular unit to which my hon. friend has referred, the Quebec unit, we have, of course, a large number of doctors in the service. It will be of interest, perhaps, for hon. members to know that not only are patients being treated in out hospitals and clinics, but we have to make examinations throughout the province for the Pension Board. That work requires quite a large number of physicians. I have in my hand a list of the men who are employed in that unit and, for that matter, of those who are employed in every unit in the country, with their salaries. My hon. friend will realize that the doctors would naturally receive a fairly large salary, though not running, on an average, much over $3,000,-perhaps, less than that. The same staff also looks after vocational training and the different activities of the department where medical services are required.

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Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Are the medical men all on salary, or does the department have different local doctors who do some of this examination work?

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

We have for reasons of economy, also local doctors, whom we call doctors in the field, who, make examinations of pensioners or of men who seek treatment. We have, for instance, in the Quebec unit with headquarters at Montreal, 30 men in the field. In the unit of Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, with headquarters at Halifax, we have 99 men in the field. In the unit of Kingston, we have 43 men in the field; in the unit of Toronto, 68 men; in the unit of London, Ontario, 31 men; in the unit of Winnipeg, 57 men; in the unit of Regina, 14 men; in the unit of Calgary, 42 men; in the unit of Vancouver, 72 men; a total of 456 doctors in the field.

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

They are not paid

regular salaries; they are paid by a fee for each case.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Do the doctors who are paid fees come under this appropriation?

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

Yes.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Will the minister give the number on the staff under pay in the different units, and the number of patients?

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LIB

Lewis Herbert Martell

Liberal

Mr. MARTELL:

Will the minister at the same time give the number on the staff at Toronto, and the number of patients?

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

The figures which I give now represent the staff in each unit for all possible activities connected with the department, comprising treatment, inspection, examination in the field, orthopedic and surgical appliances' branch, unemployment relief, and training:

Staff

Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince

Edward Island unit 395

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

Yes.

Quebec unit, headquarters at Montreal.. 5X8 Eastern Ontario unit, headquarters at

Ottawa 338

Central Ontario Unit, headquarters at

Toronto 1,159

Western Ontario unit, headquarters at

London 369

Manitoba unit, headquarters at Winnipeg. 186 Saskatchewan unit, headquarters at

Regina 74

Alberta unit, headquarters at Oalgary .. 375

British Columbia unit, headquarters at

Vancouver 374

Besides that, we have the overseas office, located in London, with a staff of twenty.

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LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

We have no unit, but we have a medical and hospital staff.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

How many? I do

not want to seem to delay the committee, but, due to some information I have received, I want to get the facts for the Pension Committee, and I want to get them from a reliable source.

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Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

We have at Lancaster

hospital, 97 patients, with 6 doctors on full time, 2 doctors on part time, 8 nurses, 3 orderlies, and 4 technicians, making a total treatment staff of 23. We have tno dentist there. We have also the general and ad

Supply-Re-Establishment

ministrative service composed of cleaners, engineers, and so on, connected with the hospital.

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Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

You have a travelling medical board in New Brunswick, have you not? Or do they come under the Halifax office?

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Henri Sévérin Béland (Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment; Minister presiding over the Department of Health)

Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

I think we have a

travelling board in New Brunswick for the examination of pensioners and men seeking treatment.

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Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

Would the minister

give us the number of patients that come under treatment in these different units?

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May 2, 1922