April 27, 1922

LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Is that a new tax? When was the law put into force?

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Hugh Guthrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

We have had it in Oi>

tario for some years.

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LIB

William Duff

Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

Why did the old government not fix the matter?

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CON

Hugh Guthrie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. GUTHRIE:

Payment has always

been refused.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

It will be news for members from New Brunswick to learn that Crown property in the Dominion pays any taxes at all. At all events, I never heard of any in the province of New Brunswick paying any local improvement taxes.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

I understood the minister to say that this Crown property in Ontario paid some local improvement tax. I venture to say that the Dominion Government own half a million dollars worth of

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property in my city, and it has not paid one dollar of municipal taxation or local improvement taxes or anything else from the beginning of. time. If the Government property pays taxes in Ontario, then I think the Dominion government should, in' all fairness and justice, contribute something towards the municipal burden of keeping up sidewalks in front of its property. It does not even do that in New Brunswick. To what extent is that practice prevalent?

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LIB

George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

As I understand the

garbage tax in Ontario, the Government has refused to pay the garbage tax which was very high on its large blocks; but it gets no service from the municipal garbage collector. It looks after the collection of garbage and pays for that. Consequently, it pays no taxes when it does the work.

As regards Government property, the Government is not a landlord; it is not going into the landlord business. When it has property which it leases to some other person, as that other person, if he were on other property, would pay taxes, the Government, under those circumstances, acts like any other landlord and pays the taxes. When, however, the property is used by the Government for Government purposes, it does not pay taxes.

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LIB

Alfred Stork

Liberal

Mr. STORK:

In reference to the post

office situation, if there is anything in the way of precedent in the matter of getting your order in early or of having some justification for your claim, I wish to state that Prince Rupert has been on the map for fifteen years, and it very urgently requires a post office. We have heard a good deal of criticism to-night against the minister for his failure to provide post offices. When the proper time comes, we shall be on deck with our demand for a post office; but I wish to pay a little tribute to the minister. We have had, in Prince Rupert, under the system started some years ago, a very extravagant system of rentals. We have had in that city a federal building housing the post office and the customs department, and various other buildings, for which the Government has paid an annual rental of $11,100 a year. The minister, I understand, has a proposition before him to remove these offices to other premises at a rental of $6,540 a year, and that, I think, is a step in the right direction. The Government is practising economy; it is practising economy in the right direction as regards Prince Rupert. We approve that at present; but when the proper time arrives,

Prince Rupert will be on deck for a post office of its own.

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PRO

Thomas Wakem Caldwell

Progressive

Mr. CALDWELL:

I was much interested in a statement made by the Minister of Militia (Mr. Graham) that, if the Government owns property and rents it to someone else, it invariably pays the tax. The matter has not worked out in that way in my province. As regards soldier settlement farms, farms that have been salvaged from the original settler by the Government and rented to a private individual, the Government is possibly getting a larger revenue from the private farmer than from the soldier settler, and yet it has refused to pay the taxes, even the school tax. This is crippling quite badly school districts in my immediate part of New Brunswick. Perhaps I may be out of order; and if I am, I presume the proper time to discuss this matter will be when the committee's report on Soldiers Civil Re-establishment is before the House. I want however an opportunity of hearing the minister's statement, in regard to the Government paying taxes, and then I shall be pleased to follow it up to see that we get some of these taxes.

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George Perry Graham (Minister of Militia and Defence; Minister of the Naval Service)

Liberal

Mr. GRAHAM:

It should be understood by all members that the Minister of Public Works is not responsible for the erection of buildings. Consequently, criticism should be directed against all the rest of us in the other departments for whom the Public Works erects buildings or rents them, because we really are responsible, and the Public Works Department is merely the agent for providing us with that accommodation.

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Alan Webster Neill

Progressive

Mr. NEILL:

I wish to add my little wail to the complaints that have already gone up in connection with post offices. I will spare the minister getting on his feet to give us the usual excuse, for the department has already turned down my request for the only post office I wanted, the claims for which were so great as to make the claims of Kamloops, Prince Rupert, Victoria and Vancouver shrink into absolute insignificance. I will not weary the committee with details, because I am sure they will take my word for it. I was going to suggest, in view of the statement made by the Minister of Finance, that he with the Minister of Public Works should form a roster, so to speak, and begin it to-night, of those post offices in British Columbia which were to get attention next year, and in order to prevent any disagreement among hon. members I would suggest that the list

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be made alphabetical in its character; the post office I want is Courtney.

I was somewhat struck by the modest violet-like innocence of my friends from Vancouver and Victoria when they sought to criticize this vote and, like Oliver Twist, asked for more. I find some $59,000 in this vote, every cent of which will be spent in the constituencies of Victoria and Vancouver from which my hon. friends come. I would remind the Government and particularly the Minister of Public Works, that there are places in British Columbia outside the confines of those municipalities, incredible as it may appear from looking at the public accounts of the last five or six years. I am almost compelled to think that the right hon. leader of the Opposition is a man of far vision and sympathetic touch, for I heard him to-night in the House, unsolicited by anybody from British Columbia, tell one of the Cabinet ministers that in his opinion British Columbia always got the cold shoulder from this Government-an opinion which I very heartily share in, as I think do some other members. I hope the Government will take that into consideration when some of the other public works estimates come down, of a more important character perhaps. I wished to refer to another item but I have forgotten it. I do not suppose it will materially advance the interests of the post office, and probably the House will be glad to be spared any details.

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CON

Simon Fraser Tolmie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. TOLMIE:

I should like to tell the hon. gentleman who has just taken his seat that I did not criticize the vote for Victoria. I may have thought a little about it, but I did not say anything. All I wanted was some information about how the money was to he spent.

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Item agreed to. Progress reported.


SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR 1921-22


A message from His Excellency the Governor General transmitting Supplementary Estimates for the year ending March 31, 1922, was presented by Hon. W. S. Fielding (Minister of Finance), read by Mr. Speaker to the House, and referred to the Committee of Supply. On motion of Mr. Fielding the House adjourned at 11.10 p.m. Friday, April 28, 1922


April 27, 1922