April 6, 1922

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

I cannot give a very definite answer with respect to that, but offhand, I think it would be difficult to arrive at the correct figures. Of course, the census returns would give some indication.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

It seems to me it is just like keeping your accounts on one side of the ledger only, if you count the people coming in and do not count the people going out. As most people travel by rail, and as our immigration officers are on all the trains, I think these officials might as well count the people going south and those

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going north. We cannot have any real knowledge on which to base a proper immigration policy unless we have all the facts, and I would urge upon the minister to take counsel with the able men of his department in order to devise some method of obtaining these facts. I think they can be obtained.

Let me add, that while we are passing estimates it is the most tiresome thing in the world if members will not speak out-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

-It is annoying not to hear the question as well as the answer. The acoustic properties of this Chamber are excellent if members will only speak in something higher than a conversational tone.

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Louder.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

If you talk as if conversing to a friend in a small room, you cannot expect to be heard in a chamber of these dimensions.

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Robert Alexander Hoey

Progressive

Mr. HOEY:

I would suggest that our immigration agents in the United States be instructed to receive native-born Canadians when they arrive there and help them to get comfortably settled; also to keep a record of the total number who go over there every year.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

Does number five on the list, Chief Inspector of Immigration, mean a medical inspector?

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

The inspector in question is Mr. Percy Reid, who has charge of. the western section. Mr. Little has charge of the eastern section.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

As to medical inspection?

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

Oh, no.

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John Evans

Progressive

Mr. EVANS:

How is this medical inspection carried out? It seems to me that some of the present regulations dealing with the inspection of immigrants on the other side of the Atlantic are decidely obnoxious. I am advised that this medical inspection is conducted in a most unscientific and unsanitary manner. An old friend of mine coming across not very long ago told me that not only the immigrants but the saloon passengers boarding the ship at Liverpool were subjected to unheard-of indignities, an officer using his fingers to manipulate the eyelids of each passenger, without cleansing his hands between each operation. It did not matter what any of these passengers were suffering from, whether barber's itch, cancer or granulated

eyelids, it was all the same to this officer, and as a result of the rough and unsanitary method adopted one lady suffered very severely with her eyes all the way over.

I believe in thorough inspection of immigrants, but surely it can be done in a scientific and humane manner. But apparently the Liverpool treatment is mild compared with what takes place on this side. At .the port of landing here is where the real embargo begins-a kind of slaught-ered-on-the-dock, as it were. It is a shameful thing for this nation that men and women of all classes are herded together in pens waiting for inspection. I think that state of affairs should be altered at once.

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Henry Elvins Spencer

Progressive

Mr. SPENCER:

I am going to give the House the type of advertising that was circulated in the States some years ago to attract immigrants to this country, because I hope that future advertising will not be along the same lines. Referring to the western provinces, where settlers were invited to take up land, the advertisement ran something like this:

It was a common thing up there for the farmers to grow from forty to fifty bushels of Number One wheat to the acre. What one man can do, another can do. Those farmers up there have more real money to spend than any other people on the American continent.

We have been wondering why people attracted to this country by such immigration pamphlets do not remain here. Is it surprising that immigrants become disgusted, and leave when this sort of pamphlet entices them to pick up gold bricks, and instead they find a lot of hard work. I hope that this is not the sort of advertisement that is going to be circulated in future, unless we want to lose most of the immigrants who are attracted to this country by such misrepresentation.

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Milton Neil Campbell

Progressive

Mr. CAMPBELL:

I would like to add to what has been stated by the hon. member for Saskatoon (Mr. Evans) in regard to medical inspection on the other side of the Atlantic. I have a case on my hands now of a Scotch family, the members of which bought their tickets and checked their baggage about a year ago. After they had gone through the preliminaries and were ready to sail, a doctor stopped one of the children, a little, girl, on the ground that she was mentally deficient. These people had sold all their goods in order to put themselves in funds for the voyage, and as a result of the doctor's action they had to postpone their voyage, and go to work, boarding out all the time. After a year the doctor finally passed

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the girl, and the family are ready to come to Canada, but they have spent all their money and are unable to pay their passage. Surely there is something wrong with the machinery of inspection when a case like this can happen.

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

I intend to deal with a great many of the questions that have been raised by hon. members with a view to prevent the recurrence of such cases as have been mentioned, but I regret that I am unable to do so to-night because we have not yet come to any definite conclusions as to what is best to be done.

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John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON (Last Mountain) :

I notice that the staff of this department has been increased by six. The minister shakes his head. Well, one hundred and twenty-six and six make a hundred and thirty-two, which is the number given for the current year. What is the explanation?

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

Simply this: two of them are additions-the secretary to the deputy minister, and the female investigational officer. The others were in the department, but were paid last year from the general contingencies vote; they are now transferred to the civil government vote.

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John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON (Last Mountain):

When were these two added?

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Charles A. Stewart (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister of Mines; Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Liberal

Mr. STEWART (Argenteuil) :

In September and October.

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John Frederick Johnston

Progressive

Mr. JOHNSTON (Last Mountain):

Just about the time the new deputy minister was appointed. I wanted that answer in relation to my other question about the deputy minister. The right hon. leader of the Opposition stated the other day when the estimates of some other department were under consideration that when a new deputy head is appointed, he wants a staff. That is proved here; we have a new deputy head who takes on two people.

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April 6, 1922