April 4, 1922

CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Will the minister tell

me one single retirement that was recommended to him and that he made?

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I accepted the statement

given to me by my officials when they brought the estimates to me.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I wonder why the minister is there. We may quite as well have this put before us simply by the deputy. The minister does not answer my question at all. Since he has taken office, has he retired one officer of his department, or has he not? I do not know of any way of answering that question except "yes" or "no".

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I have not dismissed an

official from my department since I came in.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

So all the retirements

were made before the minister took office.

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Item agreed to. Civil Government-Public Archives-salaries and contingencies, 579,680.


CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

There is an increase

in salaries.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I do not think there are

any except statutory increases.

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CON

Arthur Meighen (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Is the minister's

enthusiasm for economy such that he feels he could make some reduction in the Public Archives? I do not wish to say a word against the retention of the work of the archives; every country must provide for its archives. Still, if the minister is consumed with a passion for economy, the reproductive activities of the country would not be at all impaired if economy was applied to the Department of Public Archives.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I think the work of the

Archives branch with regard to the affairs

of this Dominion should be extended rather than curtailed. We have in the person of Dr. Doughty, deputy minister of this branch, a man who has done splendid service and who has collected a great mass of data regarding matters relating to the whole Dominion. I have had a number of compliments paid to Dr. Doughty through me on the splendid work that he has performed. I have not yet had an opportunity of studying the department myself; but if there is an opportunity of making any reductions or bringing about economy, I would be very glad to assist and co-operate with all hon. members. I feel it would be a splendid thing and an afternoon, not lost, if every hon. gentleman would make it a point to visit the Archives branch some afternoon in order to see the splendid work carried on by it. I take no credit for the work myself; but I feel that we have in Dr. Doughty a gentleman who is doing splendid work in this branch. I am sure, if I have the privilege of presiding ever this branch for another year, I shall be able to give more information to the committee in regard to it. If there is any reduction my right hon. friend could suggest that could be made without interfering with the work of the branch, I should be glad to consider it.

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CON

Richard Burpee Hanson

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. HANSON:

The third official in the list is the Assistant Director of War Trophies. These war trophies would, I should think, have been distributed months ago amongst the various municipalities and public bodies to which they were destined. In my province, you will see them dotted all over the landscape, and we are very proud to have them. Is this man to be a permanent employee of the department, and are we to keep him forever at a salary of $3,360? There would seem to be an opportunity for the minister to exercise that disposition of which he has just given verbal testimony.

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

The information I have is that we have a very large number of these war trophies yet on hand for distribution.

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LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

I notice in this list a book binder at $31 a week We had one lone book binder last year. This year we seem to have abolished him. Can the minister tell us why?

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LIB
LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

Are we going to do without any binding? How are we going to preserve these valuable documents unless we have a book binder?

Questions

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CON
LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

A hide-bound Tory?

Have we abolished book-binding altogether in the public archives?

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LIB

Arthur Bliss Copp (Secretary of State of Canada)

Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I cannot give my hon. friend the information. I do not know whether they had a book binder there, or whether his services have been dispensed with or not. The item is a small one, and I fancy the books will be bound whether this official is kept at this wage or not.

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CON

Henry Herbert Stevens

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. STEVENS:

Would it not be likely that, under the efficiency efforts of the late government in the improvement of the Printing Bureau, in the gathering together of a large number of miscellaneous small printing plants under the bureau and the reduction of the cost of that establishment, this work is performed now at the Printing Bureau instead of at the Archives?

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April 4, 1922