It is a promotion on the permanent classification. The next item is for 14 statistical clerks instead of 13, an addition of one, and then the increase in salary for the other clerks. Next is 14 clerk stenographers instead of 11. Two of them have been there during the entire past fiscal year on a temporary basis and on certificate; the third additional clerk is a temporary employee being promoted on a permanent basis. Then we are asking for five office appliance operators instead of four. In this instance we are again asking to have placed on a permanent basis an employee who has been carried throughout the past fiscal year as a temporary employee.
Notwithstanding the length of time which the member for North Toronto (Mr. Church) credits me with having been in the Labour department-almost three months-I have not had the opportunity, which I should like to have and which I hope I shall have, to investigate fully the working of the various branches of the department. I have, however, seen some of the office appliances that are used, and I should be glad indeed if any hon. gentleman would visit the Labour department and inspect the appliances that are used for the purpose of tabulating promptly and accurately certain results that are required from time to time to indicate the unemployment condition throughout Canada as well as many other matters upon which it is desired to secure absolutely accurate and reliable figures that cannot be controverted or disputed.
Tabulating, mimeographing, multigraphing and some other larger machines. We have in particular in the department one machine which we cannot buy. I understand that we pay a rental of $100 a month for it, that being the only basis on which we can secure it. My predecessor thought that it was worth the money many times over and I have no reason to- dispute his opinion in this regard. In the next item we ask for two additional
junior clerk stenographers, who we feel are needed. These two additional clerk stenographers have been employed during the past year on a temporary basis, and it would appear to be consistent to come into the open and classify them on a permanent basis if they are to continue in the department. And that is what we are asking to do. My hon. friends will agree that that covers the additional increases in the permanent staff of the Labour department. I again call attention to the fact that there are about 30 temporary employees who were there when I came to the department and who are not provided for in these civil government estimates that are being considered. I do not know whether they can all be entirely dispensed with or not, but if they can, I assure hon. members, and especially the hon. member for North Toronto (Mr. Church) that they will be.
In regard to such of them as we find it possible or necessary, through lack of funds, to dispense with, the saving would, of course, be in their salaries, whatever they might be. Most of them would no doubt be employees with lower grade salaries.
But I understood that my hon. friend was making some real economies in connection with the Outside Service. He is now contemplating dispensing with thirty. I should like to know what salaries these thirty are getting and What saving the minister expects to effect in connection with them. I feal that the minister is perhaps holding back a little bit. He is not quite sure that he can dispense with any of them.
If the minister will give the information it will help him in putting through his estimates. I see there are planning clerks. . What do these men do? Do they plan election campaigns? Then I see there are filing clerks. What are their duties? Do they file the minister's speeches?
Mr. Chairman, my hon. friend from North Toronto reminds me, in spite of myself, of the reply of the thief on the cross. I might call his attention to the fact that we have not yet got to the Estimates which he a moment ago was so interested in inquiring- about; we have only been considering so far the Estimates of the Labour department. But we were not going fast enough for the impatient criticisms of my hon. friend; he must get ahead of the wagon and take up the Printing Bureau Estimates before we come to them, starting in with some of his characteristic criticisms.