May 30, 1921

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

We have not the information worked out in that way. I have the details as to how the money is to be expended but to classify them under each heading would need the presence here of the Grand Trunk officials themselves. I think the details that I have read are perfectly plain and explain the whole matter, but I cannot at present take the different' items, separate them and put them under the headings as the hon. gentleman asks.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

That is a great retreat from the boast the minister made a few minutes ago that he was ready to give the information as to the $89,000,000. It is only fair and reasonable that we should ask the minister to tell us how much of the $89,000,000, for example, is going to cover the operating deficits. I would like the minister to tell me what was the operating deficit of the railway for last year. He has just boasted that he could give the committee any information as to the $89,000,000. Very well, let him begin with that item.

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

In the statement which I presented on the railway situation earlier in the session I showed the deficits of each railway. They are all in that statement. Now as to how the $89,000,000 is to be expended, let me just give some of the details again.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

No, I want the minister to understand we do not want any sidetracking.

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

This is not sidetracking.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

We do not want any sidetracking; we want to stick to the main line, and it is this: of the $89,000,000 how much goes to cover operating deficits? Will the minister please give us that information?

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

Well, $7,500,000 of the $89,000,000 covers the operating deficits of the Grand Trunk Railway. Then there is the Grand Trunk Pacific.

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Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:

Does that cover the lines in the United States?

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

Then in the $89,000,-

000 there are guarantees for the Grand Trunk Pacific which we must pay to the amount of $22,071,080. That amount comes off the $89,000,000.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

That is for the Grand

Trunk Pacific?

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

The minister tells us that

$7,500,000 out of the $89,000,000 will go to cover the operating deficits of the Grand Trunk railway proper?

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

That is right.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

Now we want to know what portion of the $22,000,000 in connection with the Grand Trunk Pacific goes to cover the operating deficits on that line?

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

Of these guarantees?

Nothing. These are guarantees of the Grand Trunk Pacific that we must meet this year.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

I am not talking of guarantees at all, I am talking of operating deficits.

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Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. VIEN:

The minister says "Oh".

Is he finding out what I want to know. I have been talking about it for half an hour. I desire to know, I will repeat my question in order to make it plain and I will repeat it in French if I cannot make it clear to the minister in English. I would like to know how much of the $89,000,000 will go to cover "operating deficits"? The minister told me that $7,500,000 would cover the operating deficits of the Grand Trunk railway, but to that had to be added a certain portion of the $22,000,000 to cover the operating deficit * of the Grand Trunk Pacific?

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

No. I understand the

hon. gentleman wants to know what amount of the $89,000,000 is for operating deficits? Well, $7,500,000.

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May 30, 1921