May 30, 1921

UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That is all.

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L LIB

Alexander William Chisholm

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CHISHOLM:

Is it correct to say

that Chinese can enter Canada on the east but not on the west?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

Yes.

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L LIB

Alexander William Chisholm

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CHISHOLM:

What will prevent

them coming in by the eastern ports and going to the West?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

Inconvenience and cost

more than anything else.

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L LIB

Alexander William Chisholm

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CHISHOLM:

That is an extraordinary regulation.

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

If they came in that way in large numbers we might find it necessary to put an exclusion order in force there.

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L LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

At our eastern ports

there is no exclusion order in effect at all?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

None.

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Item agreed to. Supplementary Estimates-Department of Immigration and Colonization-contingencies- further amount required, $10,000.


L LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I do not know why

the department of my hon. friend has spent $10,000 without the authority of Parliament. I think it had better stand over until to-night.

At Six o'clock the committee took recess.

After Recess

The committee resumed at Eight o'clock.

Railways and Canals-loan not exceeding $S9,687,633.39 repayable on demand with interest at the rate of six per cent per annum, payable half-yearly, to be used (where amounts available from net operating earnings may be insufficient) to meet expenditures made or indebtedness incurred at any time by or on behalf of the Grand Trunk Railway Company of Canada or any company comprised in the Grand Trunk Railway System (excluding herefrom, however, expenditures or indebtedness incurred

by or on behalf of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company except as specifically provided in item (f) hereof) on any of the following accounts:-(a) operating deficits, (b) acquisition of property, materials and supplies,

(c) interest on notes, securities or obligations,

(d) the principal and interest of maturing or matured loans, secured or unsecured, (e) construction and betterments, (f) guarantees by the said Grand Trunk Railway Company of securities of the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway Company, such loan to be secured by mortgage or mortgages upon the undertaking of the Grand Trunk Railway Company of Canada on such terms and conditions as the Governor in Council may approve. The loan or assistance herein authorized may bp made in cash or by way of guarantee, or partly in cash and partly by guarantee, in the discretion of the Governor in Council. Any guarantee from time to time given under the authority herein may be of the principal and interest of the notes, obligations or securities of the Grand Trunk Railway Company of Canada, and may be signed bv the Minister of Finance, on behalf of His Majesty, in such form and on such terms and conditions as the Governor in Council may approve, $89,687,633.39.

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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

These amounts are referred to as loans. The Government have taken over these railways; how can we lend money to ourselves?

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UNI L

John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

The Canadian Northern Railway system is under charter as a private corporation. Of course, this would be a loan to the Canadian National Railways when the Act dealing with the Canadian National Railways comes into force.

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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Does the minister contend that we are lending this money to the old companies? Those old companies have passed out of existence and the railways are now under one management.

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John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

No; the companies are always kept alive. There will be subsidiary companies of the Canadian National. For instance, there are a number of subsidiary companies in the Canadian Northern system; they are all kept alive, but the stock is held by the parent company.

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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Have all these companies dilferent directorates, or do they come under the directorate of the Canadian National Railway system?

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UNI L

John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

Each has its own directorate, but it is usually the same as that of the parent company. For instance, the directors of the Canadian National railways would be the directors of the Canadian Northern.

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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

All the directors are the same for all the companies, and they are the directors who were appointed by the Government the year before last?

TMr. McKenzie. 1

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UNI L

John Flaws Reid

Unionist (Liberal)

Hon. Mr. REID:

The directors who were appointed by the Government a couple of years ago for the Canadian Northern are still directors of the Canadian Northern, but when we bring the Act respecting the Canadian National Railways into force we shall appoint directors of the Canadian National. As a rule the directors of the Canadian National will be also directors of the subsidiary companies, though it does not necessarily follow that they would be the same. In fact it might not be possible to have them the same in the case of some of the subsidiary companies. You might require American citizens on the directorates of some of the companies in the United States in order to keep them alive.

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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

What we are asked now is to lend $89,000,000 to the Canadian Northern and a few other companies. How can we lend money to ourselves? It is the same as if I were to say that I could lend money to myself. These companies are national property.

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May 30, 1921