May 7, 1921

UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

The same practice prevails there as in all the departments. The department in the first place suggests to the commission what the duties should be If any objection is taken by the commission, then I presume there would be a conference betweep the departmental officials and the commission, and as a result the duties would be finally fixed. [DOT]

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

I understand that the

general rule is as the hon. gentleman states it, but I should like to know who defines the duties of this particular position. Is it the hon. gentleman, or his department, or the Civil Service Commission, or this Council of Women?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That would be done by

the deputy head of the department in consultation with his chief officer.

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I would think so.

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I have no knowledge to

the contrary.

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I think their meetings

have been confined to one annually.

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

If I mistake not, we

paid their travelling expenses the first time they met; since then, they have paid their own travelling expenses.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Have advertisements

been published inviting new applications for the position? .

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That I cannot say.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Does the hon. gentleman know when such applications will be invited?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That I cannot say.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Could the hon. gentleman state who were applicants for the position, and what their respective standings were?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I do not know the name

of one of them. I never had the list before me, and I never made inquiries. I have persistently kept away from the Civil Service Commission and their work, and I propose to continue, to do so. I never heard the name of a single applicant for that position, and I do not want to.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Surely my hon. friend

would not take the attitude that for a position comprising part of the machinery of his department he is going to allow one or two outside bodies to define the duties of that position, and generally to disregard him in the appointment?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That is our law.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

No, that is not the law, I beg my hon. friend's pardon. Now, in connection with another department-in regard to which my hon. friend could get information from one of his colleagues- an incident happened, something similar to the one we are discussing, and my fear is that instead of having regard for the duties attaching to this position, and for the good that may be done by the person occupying it, there is danger that certain qualifications may be drafted which, like a suit of clothes or a hat or a pair of boots, will fit only one particular person, so that nobody else, no matter how much better qualified, may obtain the position. Hence my curiosity.

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May 7, 1921