May 7, 1921

PRO

Andrew Knox

Progressive

Mr. KNOX:

What revenue is received annually, or has been received altogether, from the tax on Chinese immigrants?

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L LIB

Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

I must point out that these questions are not strictly in order upon the present item. The present item concerns only the salaries of the Civil Government employees here in Ottawa. If hon. gentlemen would only wait till we reach Items Nos. 52, 53, and following, which will be taken up immediately, all these questions would then be strictly in order, and, as an acting chairman once said, it would make the task of the Chairman much easier.

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PRO

Michael Clark

Progressive

Mr. CLARK (Red Deer) :

Am I to understand that the Chairman, whose wisdom I never doubt, is calling the minister to order for obstructing his own Estimates?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I might say in reply to my hon. friend from Red Deer (Mr. Clark) that I was asked a question from the other side of the House, which I politely endeavoured to reply to.

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PRO

Michael Clark

Progressive

Mr. CLARK (Red Deer) :

From what I gathered, the subject under discussion was of considerable importance, and the minister made a very provocative speech in reply. He may consider himself lucky if the Chairman saves him from a long debate.

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UNION

Henry Herbert Stevens

Unionist

Mr. STEVENS:

Is the Deputy Minister of the Department of the Interior the Deputy Minister also of the Immigration Department?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

Yes, Mr. Cory is still acting as Deputy Minister of Immigration.

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L LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

A couple of years ago an additional $1,000 was placed in the Estimates for Mr. Cory, on account of the work he was doing for the Department of Immigration exclusive of his duties as Deputy Minister of the Interior Department. Why has that been dropped?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

The reason was that

some hon. gentlemen on the other side of the House took very strenuous objection to that procedure being followed.

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

As a matter of fact, the Immigration Department was part of the Interior Department for a great many years, until it was thought advisable to separate them. I doubt if Mr. Cory has very much more work to do now in con-

nection with the Immigration Department than he had when the two departments were amalgamated.

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L LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

Is not Mr. Scott the

Deputy Minister of the Department of Immigration?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

No, he was the superintendent.

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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

In view of the statement of the minister a few days ago, in which he intimated that the principal part of his work was to keep immigrants out of Canada rather than to encourage them to come in, how does he account for the increase of $45,000 in this item?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

In the first place, I did

not say that the chief work of the department was to keep immigrants out. In the second place, as I have already explained, there is no increase in the staff. We are simply carrying them here instead of under the general vote.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

There is evidently a

mistake in the Estimates, for I read on page 83, "Department of Immigration and Colonization, deputy minister, $6,000," and then on page 80, "Department of the Interior, deputy minister, $6,000." Are we voting the amount twice?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That vote in the immigration has been carried during the last two years, but the position has not been filled. Mr. Cory is simply acting as Deputy Minister of Immigration, and as such he does not receive any salary. If the appointment were made at any time, the person appointed would get this $6,000.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

How is it that the

Chief Inspector of Immigration is receiving an increase of $1,335? His salary last year was $2,625, and this year it is $3,960. That is a large increase in one year. The big fellows in this department seem to be getting all the increases.

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

The hon. gentleman is

probably aware that the salaries of all the officials in the service have been carefully reviewed by the Civil Service Commission during the past year, and as a result of their study of the whole subject they have made certain recommendations to the Government as to what the salaries should be for the different positions. The Chief Inspector of Immigration has very considerable duties to perform, and very responsible duties too.

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May 7, 1921