April 26, 1921

L LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

Has the minister given

the total from the United States for the same period?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I can give the figures.

The total from the United States for the fifteen-year period was 650,429.

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L LIB
UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

For that fifteen-year

period, 43,361, and for the last two years, 52,549.

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L LIB
UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

All classes. When a

person comes in from the United States and brings his effects, whether he be a farmer or a householder, his goods must be entered at the customs house and valued.

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L LIB
UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I have not those figures before me at the present time, but they would be very easily ascertainable, because a record is kept.

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L LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

As a matter of fact

the minister does not deny that the great boom in the Western Provinces began in 1897?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

Certainly. I said at

the outset that I did not wish to detract from the work done at that time. But there is a factor that very many people lose sight of, and that is that a very large part of the West was settled by Easterners, not by immigrants. You can scarcely go anywhere in the Prairie Provinces without meeting people from Ontario, Quebec and the Maritime Provinces. Thousands of people from Eastern Canada moved West. The West has not been filled up entirely by people coming into Canada.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

But my recollection

is that those large European colonies of good immigrants, such as Galicians, Russians and other people from Central Europe, came during the period after 1897. I remember seeing long trains of such immigrants passing through Ottawa.

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

That is quite correct.

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L LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

Has the minister given the total figures for the fifteen-year period?

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UNION

James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I gave those figures to the Committee.

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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

The hon. minister has said that a record is kept of the value of goods brought in by immigrants. Is that record kept here?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

I would imagine that it is kept at the seaboard. All goods passed by immigrants must be classified and a record of the total value kept by the customs authorities. I have not the figures before me, but I would think they would be very easily ascertainable.

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Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

So there is no basis of comparison available at the moment of the value of goods brought in by immigrants from other countries as against the value brought in by immigrants from the United States?

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

No, I have not those

figures at hand. I wish to refer for a few moments to another feature of the situa-

tion. A good many people fail to realize that conditions in Canada from the standpoint of immigration are not the same to-day as they were some years ago; they have changed very materially. Many people have an idea that there is an unlimited number of homesteads still available. That is not the case. You can draw a line across the three provinces passing through, say, Prince Albert and away north to Edmonton, and from there to the International boundary, a distance of 250 or 300 miles, there is not a homestead left that is reasonably fit for homesteading. Members who are acquainted with the western provinces will agree with me.

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James Alexander Calder (Minister of Immigration and Colonization; Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. CALDER:

Not all under cultivation by any means. But at the time we were supposed to have that very heavy immigration, when the country was settled up by leaps and bounds, we had millions of acres of the finest land in the world of which a man could get 160 acres by payment of a fee oi: $10.

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April 26, 1921