April 1, 1921

LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

May I ask

what department the Board of Management is under?

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Hon. Mr. REID:

There is a Board of

Management appointed for the operation of the Canadian National Railways- appointed by statute, not by the Minister of Railways. In reply to the hon. member, I stated that no orders, therefore, had been issued by the Minister of Railways or by the Department of Railways.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Are we to

understand that the Board of Management is not responsible to any department of the Government?

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UNION

Arthur Meighen (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The hon. gentleman

knows that the statute speaks for itself in that regard.

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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

I must submit in any

event that this subject cannot be tried on the Orders of the Day.

CANADIAN GOVERNMENT MERCHANT MARINE-INFORMATION :

On the Orders of the Day:

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L LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Laurier Liberal

Mr. J. H. SINCLAIR (Antigonish and Guysborough) :

When the Minister of Marine (Mr. Ballantyne) made his statement on Tuesday with regard to the Government ships, he stated that he was willing to give the fullest information to members of the House. He used very broad language:

That every contract made, every voucher paid, every letter and telegram exchanged between the Department and contractors is open for the fullest inspection of any member of the House who desires any further information.

[Mir. Gauvreau.]

Taking advantage of that pledge or promise I put a question with regard to the steamship Recruit and I got my answer yesterday that the Department did not know anything about it; that the matter was in the hands of some corporation in Toronto. I want to ask the Minister of Marine how he failed to implement the pledge that he gave to the members of this House on Tuesday with regard to this matter.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Hon. C. C. BALLANTYNE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries) :

The words

that my hon. friend has referred to as having been used by me when presenting my statement to this House on Tuesday last pertain only, as he can easily tell by reading them over, to the letting of contracts for steel ships entered into between the Marine Department and the shipbuilder. It does not go any further.

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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JOSEPH ARCHAMBAULT (Cham-bly-Vercheres) :

From the statement made by the Minister of Marine that this question will be considered by a special committee of Parliament, are we to understand that the Government has decided to adopt the fatherless child of the hon. member for Halifax?

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UNION

George Eulas Foster (Minister of Trade and Commerce)

Unionist

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

Explain.

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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:

The hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Maclean) has on the Order Paper a resolution calling for the appointment of a committee. Does the Minister of Marine and Fisheries refer to that committee when, in his answer, he says that all these questions will be considered by a special committee of Parliament?

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UNION

Arthur Meighen (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

As I made the statement with regard to a special committee in a previous debate in this House, I may say that it is the intention to move that a special committee be appointed to consider just such subjects as were referred to by me in my speech and as were referred to by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries in answer to these questions.

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L LIB

John Howard Sinclair

Laurier Liberal

Mr. SINCLAIR (Antigonish and Guysborough) :

Are we to understand that the committee is to decide what questions are confidential and what are not? -

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UNION

Arthur Meighen (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

A committee does not decide, it reports. The special committee will report on such subjects as are referred to it. The subjects referred to it will be such as were indicated by myself in that speech.

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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:

Are we to understand that all the details of operation of the Canadian Government Merchant Marine and the Canadian National railways will be considered by that special committee?

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UNION

Arthur Meighen (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

I have not said so.

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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

There can be no crossexamination of the Government upon the Orders of the Day.

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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:

Surely I am entitled to an answer.

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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

Not upon the Orders of the Day. The hon. gentleman will have ample opportunity on several occasions during the sittings of the House; but I must point out, as I have on previous occasions, that there is no right, inherent or otherwise, on the part of hon. members on the Orders of the Day to submit questions except with regard to returns and matters pertaining to the business of the House. There has, however, been on the part of the Chair always a desire to permit questions of public and of such urgent character that it would be undesirable if they were left on the Order Paper for several days before being answered. But there can be no cross-examination of the Government as to policy or otherwise. Furthermore, in no case could there be submitted a question which tended to reflect upon or call in question the policy of the Government. That rule has always been rigorously adhered to in all instances.

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L LIB

Thomas Vien

Laurier Liberal

Mr. THOMAS VIEN (Lotbiniere) :

Will a statement be made public as to the administration of the Canadian Mercantile fleet, or will the only information be that which was put on Hansard the other day?

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Hon. C. C. BALLANTYNE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries) :

The only statement which the Government will make is the one that I presented to the House on Tuesday last; but the operating company will also embody the report of their directors-and, I should imagine, rather fully -in their annual report when it is issued.

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April 1, 1921