March 31, 1921

L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

The Imperial Canadian Year Book is a different publication?

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Item agreed to. Culling timber, including an amount of $600 for superannuated cullers, $1,600.


L LIB

Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

Why have we to pay cullers? I did not know the Government was in the timber busines.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

This comes in as the tail end of a long transaction, and this is the last time it will appear. It has been gradually diminished by appointments not being made, until I think we have now three officers left who are being paid small superannuations. Most of them, I regret to say, are over eighty years of age and will soon disappear. The active operations of this work will disappear after this year.

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Item agreed to. Grant to Canadian Engineering' Standards Association for the promotion of uniformity of standards in metallic and other products, ?iC,000. ' Mr. CAHILL: What does this appropriation accomplish?


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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

This appropriation has appeared for the last two or three years, and when the committee understands what it is for, I am sure it will consider the apropriation a very useful one. It is granted to the Canadian Engineering Standards Association. The Canadian Engineers banded themselves together, and they are now at work particularly in forming standards of various kinds, so as to standardize productive operations. As members of the association they give their whole time to this work, and we give them a grant of $10,000 to enable them to carry on.

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CON

George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

Yes. They have divided themselves into a large number of committees, each committee taking up one special subject with the idea of introducing standardization in regard to that

product, whatever it is. They get together and canvass the question, discuss the standards that they fix, come to an agreement and then bring all the pressure they can to bear upon the manufacturing companies to adopt those standards. They are meeting with great success in that respect. Anyone who will think for a moment will realize the great economic gain which would be had if, instead of a manufacturer devoting himself to five, six, seven, eight or ten different standards in the manufacture of an article of use, he could bring those down to the minimum number of usable standards and manufacture along that line.

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

Yes, and we

have on record the results of their work.

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CON

George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

We have them on record; we have not printed them. My hon. friend could get any in which he is interested.

Honorary Advisory Council of Industrial and Scientific Research,-salaries and expenses, including printing and stationery and the collection and distribution of information, and for studentships, scholarships, special problems and forestry studies, $120,000.

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Walter Davy Cowan

Unionist

Mr. COWAN:

In the speech from the

Throne reference is made to a Bill dealing with scientific research. Will any expenditure entailed by that Bill be in addition to this amount, or does this include it?

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

This does not

include it. What is contemplated in that allusion is something of a much more extended kind; it is really a national laboratory for standardization and research. On the other hand, this would have an intimate connection therewith, and when the other is established, this would work in with it to a very large extent. That correlation would have to be made after we knew the form of the new venture, so to speak.

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Sanford Johnston Crowe

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CROWE:

The latter part of the item refers to: "forestry studies." Is that work in a forestry products laboratory?

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George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

That is an

explanation, a little more extended, of what is meant by the research. Those are the lines along which they are carrying on research. They include not only the research and salaries and expenses, but a system of studentships, fellowships

and bursaries which the advisory council supervise, and, after proper examination, award for special researches in different lines. They take up quite a large range at the present time. There are included in them some forestry problems, mining problems, productive problems in industry, and scientific problems to a certain extent where they are trying to solve difficulties which are met in processes of production and they carry on experiments to that end. the system of bursaries, fellowships and studentships has been found to work well in Great Gritain and other countries, and the same line is being followed out under this research board.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

I would venture the

assertion that the work conducted under this Advisory Council of Industrial and Scientific Research might far better be conducted under the universities of this country. For instance, we know that in the Faculty of Applied Science of McGill Universities we have had some of the leading scientists, I may say, of the whole world, some men who occupy chairs in that faculty are really men of world-wide reputation and have done a great deal of their most important work in connection with the university. What I am afraid of, in voting this $120,000, is that we are largely duplicating the work of the universities, and I think if we wish to promote scientific and industrial research, that work can much better be carried on in the great scientific schools attached to universities like McGill, Toronto Varsity and Queen's University at Kingston.

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L LIB

Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

The University of

Monereal, Laval University and others. I would like to bring forward this objection which, I believe, is a serious one. Would the minister inform us how he expects with the appliances available at Ottawa to have the work done as well as it would be done with the magnificant equipment at McGill, for instance, and I speak of McGill not because I do not realize there are other universities splendidly equipped, but because I am familiar with the equipment of my Alma Mater.

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March 31, 1921