March 17, 1921

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

-how many inspectors the minister purposes to appoint under the vote he is asking for tonight.

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

There may be more inspectors appointed, and there may not be; it depends entirely on the amount of contagious disease that we have to deal with in the coming year. As to that, I have no information as to what may occur in the future.

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Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I see that a considerable item here is under the Meat and Canned Foods Act, and 1 also notice that the minister has a motion on the order paper-which I presume will become law before we leave here-in connection with the permanent manufacture of oleomargarine I would ask him if he is anticipating appointing a whole raft of inspectors to take charge of this work?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

I am not proposing, Mr. Chairman, to appoint a whole raft of inspectors to take care of the manufacture of oleomargarine. That does not come under this Act except in regard to the inspection of margarine manufactured in the packing houses, and we already have a staff to take care of that particular work.

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

In connection with the staff that you already have-

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Order.

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

-that the minister already has taking care of this particular work, I would like to know whether they make a special report to him as to the prices and the proportions of the ingredients that enter into the manufacture of this commodity by the packing houses. Is there absolute information furnished the minister by those inspectors as to these matters?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

These inspectors, and all inspectors of the Health of Animals and of the Meat Inspection branch, make reports from time to time as to exactly what they are doing. With regard to the manufacture of oleomargarine, no particular standard is laid down; it varies in different packing houses.

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

Well, we are getting a little information that we did not have before, and it may be useful later on. Mr. Chairman, I have never yet in this House made any effort to unnecessarily prolong discussion; I think hon. members will give me credit for that at least. And I think I have been reasonable in asking for information in connection with this item to-night; but if the minister does not see fit to give an answer to what I consider is a perfectly reasonable request, I will have to adopt some other method, that is all.

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An hon. MEMBER:

Come over here.

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the item carry?

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

Mr. Chairman, I do not propose letting the matter drop here. If it is the desire of the committee that the item should be adopted, well and good. I beg to move that this item be reduced by $390,000 and leave it exactly where it was last year.

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Shall the amendment carry? In my opinion the noes have it. I declare the amendment lost.

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UNION

Donald Sutherland

Unionist

Mr. SUTHERLAND:

I would like the vote to be counted.

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

When I pronounced the words, "In my opinion the noes have it," five hon. members should have risen in their places in order to have the vote counted. As no hon. members did rise, the Chairman could not call for a vote. I declare the amendment lost and the motion carried.

Amendment (Mr. Sutherland) negatived.

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William Stevens Fielding

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. FIELDING:

I hope the minister does not desire to go further to-night. We on this side of the House have been giving him all the help we can. There is now only half an hour left of St. Patrick's day, and certainly my right hon. friend the Minister of Justice should not be kept here any later.

Progress reported.

On motion of the Right Hon. C. J. Doherty the House adjourned at 11.25 p.m.

Friday, March 18. 1921 .

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March 17, 1921