March 15, 1921

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

I must point out that questions concerning the establishment or re-establishment of demonstration farms have already been ruled out of order on this item. If any question concerning the expenditure of the Department of

Agriculture may be asked on item No. 14, the entire discussion can be started over and over again every time the Estimates of the Department of Agriculture are before the committee. Item No. 14 which we are now considering deals solely with Civil Government expenditure here in th>

city of Ottawa. I would not call an hon. member to order for discussing upon it any matter concerning agriculture that is not specially covered by another Estimate, but where there are specific items in the Estimates I would ask hon. members to wait until they are reached before discussing matters pertaining to them.

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John Patrick Molloy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY:

On page 89 of the Estimates there are two items: "Veterinary Director General, $5,040" and "Chief Veterinary Inspector, $3,900." I understand that these are two separate positions occupied by two different men. I should like to know when the office of Chief Veterinary Inspector was established, where the official lives, and what his duties are?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

The name of that officer is Dr. George Hilton. He resides in Ottawa and has occupied the position for about 12 or 14 years, roughly speaking. This particular office was created before I became minister; I cannot say how long it has been in existence. The duties of the office are to assist the Veterinary Director' General, and to act in his absence when he is out of town. Dr. Hilton assists in a great deal of the outside work at the various quarantine ports, and in connection with the field inspection work that is carried on throughout Canada.

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John Albert Sexsmith

Unionist

Mr. SEXSMITH:

The minister has told us that there are 70 odd illustration stations in Canada. How many are in Ontario, and how many in Quebec?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

The Department of Agriculture has no illustration stations in the province of Ontario. The Commission of Conservation has been carrying on some work along that line, and so long as thev were doing that the department did not interfere. The proposed changes will perhaps result in a new policy in that direction. We have 30 illustration stations in the province of Quebec at the present time.

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Georges Parent

Laurier Liberal

Mr. PARENT:

Before this item passes I should like to satisfy my curiosity with respect to one statement made by the minister in his very eloquent and inter-

[The Chairman.]

esting remarks a few moments ago. He stated that years ago hens in this country were producing 65 eggs per year, and that now in some cases they are producing 300 per year. That is very important, I think, and I should like the minister to tell the committee, so that the country at large will know, what special strain it is that produces this large number of eggs per year.

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

The particular breed

that made the big record was a special strain of Wyandottes at the Sidney Experimental station, 16 miles out of Victoria, B.C. The average hen in this country at the presefit time has been producing 60 and 65 egg's per year.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Has this branch taken part in any recent exhibits or fairs throughout Canada?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

Yes, we'had a number of exhibits of bees, queen bees, bee products, and various bee supplies, hives, and so forth, at many of the fairs throughout the country during the past year.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Is the minister in a position to state whether this Government has had any communication with the Provincial Governments, and particularly the government of my province, concerning this matter?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

We have been working together in connection with the eradication of bee diseases, but have had no correspondence of any particular note.

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Joseph Arthur Calixte √Čthier

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ETHIER:

May I ask whether this item of $1,245,639 includes the minimum grant of $2,500 which the agricultural societies are entitled to receive in connection with the exhibitions in the different provinces. I understand the regulations of the department provides for these grants.

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

Those grants are not included in that item. We pay something over $90,000 for that purpose, in addition to this item. It comes under the heading of livestock.

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Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ARCHAMBAULT:

On page 89 is an item, "Dominion Agrostologist, $3,120." Perhaps it is my lack of proficiency in the English language that makes it necessary

for me to ask the minister what this gentleman does?

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Simon Fraser Tolmie (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist

Mr. TOLMIE:

His name is Dr. Malte. He is an expert of very great ability in that line?

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March 15, 1921