June 28, 1920

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I shall be very glad to give any information I have. This is for salaries under the Civil Service classification, which the Government are asked to vote.

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William Duff

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

I can quite understand this is for salaries under the reclassification of the Civil Service, but I would like a detailed statement of how many officials there are for whom this amount is to be voted for salaries, and what aTe their duties in the Department of Naval Service?

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

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OVERNMENT ESTIMATES, 1920-21-DEPARTMENT OF THE DETAILS.


Class. Deputy Minister and Controller Asst. Deputy Minister , Chief Accountant Chief Hydrographer Superintendent of Fisheries.' Director Radiotelegraph Service Chief Tidal and Current Surveyor Director of Naval Stores Fisheries Specialists: 1 at 34.000, 1 at $3,420 Hydrographers: 1 at $3,500, 1 at $3,000 Purchasing Agent Chief Inspector Fish Curing and Packing Supt. of Fish Culture Dist. Supt. Radio. Service Resident Engineer Fish Hatcheries Asst. Hydrographer: 1 at $2,940, 1 at $2,460 Accountant Head Clerks: 2 at $2,520, 4 at $2,400 Principal Map Draftsman Principal Translator Principal Clerks: 1 at $2,500, 1 at $2,040, 2 at $1,920, 1 at $1,800 Inspector of Hatcheries Asst. Zoologist Publicity Agent Junior Accountant Principal Account. Clerks: 1 at $2,280, 1 at $2,160, 2 at $1,920, 1 at $1,800_ Assistant Engineer Principal File Clerk Principal Clerk Bookkeepers: 2 at $1,920 Tidal and Current Surveyors: 1 at $2,300, 1 at $2,160 Storekeeper Junior Purchasing Agents: 1 at $1,800, 1 at $1,560 Assistant Architect Senior Map Draftsmen: 2 at $2,100, 1 at $1,920 Senior Draftsman Translator...' Junior Engineer Map Draftsman Senior Engineering Clerk Senior Account Clerks, 2 at $1,380, 1 at $1,320 Senior Audit Clerk Senior Clerks: 1 at $3,400, 1 at $1,550 , 4 at $1,380, 3 at $1,320 Senior Clerk-Bookkeepers: 1 at $2,100, 2 at $1,440 Senior File Clerks: 1 at $2,700, 3 at $1,380 Senior Clerk Stenographers: 1 at $1,440, 5 at $1,380 Senior Statistical Clerks: 1 at $1,450, 1 at $1,400 Senior Transportation Audit Clerk Senior !M^©ssGHf5cr Accounts Clerks: 2 at $1,400, 1 at $1,100, 2 at $1,020 Audit Clerks: 1 at $1,050, 1 at $1,020, 1 at $960 File Clerks: 7 at $1,020, 2 at $960 Messenger Clerks: 2 at $1,050, 1 at $900, 1 at $730 Stores Clerk Supplies Clerk Clerks: 1 at $2,100,2 at $1,400,1 at $1,300, 1 at $1,020,13 at $960 Clerk Bookkeepers: 1 at $1,200, 1 at $1,080, 2 at $1,020 Clerk Stenographers: 1 at $1,140, 12 at $1,020, 2 at $960 Clerk Typists: 1 at $1,080, 1 at $960 Jr. Audit Clerks: 2 at $700 Jr. Account Clerk Jr. Clerks: 2 at $750, 1 at $700, 4 at $660, 1 at $650, 1 at $600, , . . , [DOT][DOT] File Clerk Clerk [DOT] '. Clerk Bookkeepers: 1 at $750, 1 at $700, 1 at $660 ** Clerk Typists: 1 at $850, 1 at $760, 2 at $750, 4 at $700, 1 at $650, 1 at $600. inior Clerk Stenographers: 2 at $800, 3 at $750, 3 at $700, 1 at $650 1 at $600. Salaries. $ cts. 6,000 00 4.200 00 4,260 00 4.500 00 4.200 00 3.900 00 3,700 00 3,660 00 7,420 00 6.500 00 3.060 00 2,880 00 2.760 00 2.760 00 2.760 00 5.400 00 2,640 00 14,640 00 2,600 00 2,520 00 10,180 00 2.400 00 2.300 00 2.300 00 2.300 00 10,080 00 2,220 00 1.920 00 3.840 00 4,460 00 1.920 00 3,360 00 2,220 00 6,120 00 1,680 00 1,450 00 1,680 00 1,550 00 1,800 00 4,080 00 1.380 00 14,430 00 4,980 00 6.840 00 8,340 00 2,850 00 1.380 00 1.050 00 5,940 00 3,030 00 9.060 00 3,720 00 1.050 00 1,140 00 19,700 00 4,320 00 15,300 00 2,040 00 1.400 00 650 00 6,090 00 800 00 750 00 2,110 00 7,160 00 7.200 00 Totals 292,930 00 Contingencies. Stationery, Printing, temporary clerks, travelling expenses, telegrams, telephone tolls, etc



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William Duff

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

We are very glad1 to get that information from the minister. I gathered, as he was reading the list, that some of these officials were employed in the Department of Fisheries and some in the Department of Naval Service. Would the minister tell us what portion of this $272,000 is for officials in the Naval Service Department, and how many officials there are in that department?

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Henri Sévérin Béland

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BELAND:

I am sure we do. not wish to retard) the business of the House. We on this side have registered our strong opposition to the policy of the Government in its naval proposals. However anxious we are not to delay the business of the House, we have understood from the leader of the Opposition that there existed between the right hon. gentleman who leads the Government and himself a clear understanding as to what should be carried this evening, and my hon. friend the leader of the Opposition stated to the committee in clear and distinct terms that the only items that were understood between himself and the leader of the 'Government to be adopted this evening were those coming under the heading of "Naval Service," on page 47 of the Main Estimates. It can readily be understood, therefore, that there is strong opposition on the part of the leader of the Opposition to the minister taking up these other Estimates on page 8. If the minister insists upon doing it against the agreement between the two leaders, of course he has the majority and can do it, but I feel that that is not his desire. I think it would expedite the business of the House if we were to postpone consideration of these other items until to-morrow, when I am sure they can be put through in a very few moments. I do not think we have very serious objection to the item because it is mainly salaries which are fixed by the Civil Service Commission. But the ground taken by the leader of the Opposition is that the understanding arrived at between the two leaders was that only the items comprised under this heading of Naval Service on page 47 would be carried this evening.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I agree with my

genial friend from Beauce (Mr. Beland), and I stand by the agreement made between the Prime Minister and the leader of the Opposition that only the Naval Estimates should be passed to-night, but the trouble is that the leader of the Opposition has lost his temper and gone away in a huff.

fMr. Ballantyne.1

Now, we have only one or two more strictly Naval Estimates to pass, and while I have no desire to depart for one moment from the agreement entered into between the Prime Minister and the leader of the Opposition, I think the committee might very well pass these two items, because they are included in the Naval Estimates. I stand by the agreement that was made, but my young friend the leader of the Opposition loses his temper, flares up, and is not willing to abide by the agreement entered into between himself and the leader of the Government. I am not going to depart from the agreement, and if hon. gentlemen will bear with me for five minutes more I think we can put these two items through.

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Mr. ETHLEK@

Mt. Chairman, I think it is my duty to protest against the words which the minister has used in reference to the leader of the Opposition. I think that the hon. gentleman must have forgotten himself when he stated that the leader of the Opposition lost his temper. This is improper language, in my opinion, for the hon. minister to use in reference to the leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition, and I think hon. members on this side will unanimously resent it. For my part I emphatically protest against it.

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Charles Eusèbe Casgrain

Mr. CASGEAIN:

not had the opportunity of getting away. We have, I think, been doing our best to expedite business and I would suggest that if there has been a misunderstanding we can surely get together and settle it-it is not so important a matter-without delaying prorogation for several days more. I do not think that we should let ourselves suffer of such a misunderstanding, and the House will be wise in settling down to business and getting things through so that we may go home.

Mr. BAELANiTYNE: There are just two more items that are strictly Naval Estimates.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

What are the items?

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Item 17 is not carried.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

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Edmund William Tobin

Laurier Liberal

Mr. TOBIN:

Have hiim withdraw the

words he used in reference to the leader.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mir. BUREAU:

I have stated the matter from my point of view. I do not think my 'hon. friends on this side would object to a compromise.

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Avard Longley Davidson

Unionist

Mr. DAVIDSON:

Perhaps I might throw some light on the matter. During the discussion of the Naval 'Estimates I was on the other side for a while, and the Chief Whip and the leader of the Opposition asked me what the programme was for this evening. The leader of the Opposition suggested that it would surely be enough if we got through with the Naval Estimates, and I said I thought so. In the first instance I believe it was hoped that we would go on with the Militia Estimates this evening, but this might be late and I thought we had better not do sq. I said that I would consult with the minister and reply to him later. After consultation with the minister I went bacJr to the leader of the Opposition and told him that the Government were prepared, if the minister should be allowed to go cm and get through with his Estimates on Naval Affairs and Fisheries, not to go on with the Militia Estimates. I understood the leader of the Opposition agreed to these Estimates being passed.

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Mr. BALL ANT YNE@

I do not want to go on with Fisheries and Wireless. The hon. member for Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau) has put the matter very fairly and plainly. The Prime Minister thought it had been agreed by the leader of the Opposition that the Naval Estimates would go through. If you pass Civil Government and one more item of $290,000 that will finish it for to-night and we will still have a long list left.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

If we are going to have a compromise, it must not all be on one side. 1 made the suggestion in order that we might let everybody go home and feel happy and satisfied.

Mr. BIAiLiLANTYNE: There is no man for whom I have a greater respect than the hon. member for Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau) and i'f we pass the Civil Government Estimates we will agree to report progress.

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June 28, 1920