June 16, 1920

UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I am informed that only two per cent of the total exportable surplus of that particular article is involved in the question. The Governor in Council has no desire to assume burdens or responsibilities in this respect. I hope .that the special committee to whom this Bill will be referred will find some means of relieving the Governor in Council from a duty which involves great responsibility and is wholly invidious. No one would be more delighted than I if that committee .could find some effective method which .will meet the conditions of public urgency now confronting the country and at the same time relieve the Government from additional responsibility. All I ask, however, at the present moment is that the matter may be expedited by passing the .resolution pro forma, and upon the second reading or in committee the House will be ,at liberty to decide whether or not this legislation or any legislation of an analogous character ought to be passed by this House, or whether we should allow matters to take the course they are now taking.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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UNI L

William Stevens Fielding

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. FIELDING:

There are abundant

reasons why it would not be advisable for us to have a protracted discussion at the present time, although there are some matters which we. might well consider before we come to a conclusion. Therefore, I trust it will be the view of the committee that, without committing ourselves to the principle of the resolution we should now allow the resolution to pass the present stage.

Mr. MoMASTER: I should be sorry to disagree with or to fail to follow any arrangement made by the leader of the party to which I belong, but this proposed legislation is to my mind so vicious that I wish to have an opportunity given on the introduction of the resolution of speaking to it. It would be very well for the country to be fully advised as to what the Government purpose doing. I would have thought that the Canadian nation was thoroughly sick of the Government endeavouring to control industry, and it is surely bad enough to have a protectionist government in power with the right to control imparts into the country, but it would be worse to have them control exports from the country. I should like, if that could be agreed to by all, to have a general discussion on the introduction of this resolution. We cannot canvass the situation too fully, and now is the time to do it. If what is proposed to be done is done, it means that the matter goes to a committee and that it will not get back into this House until the middle of next week. We are hopeful of being able to bring the session to a termination before Dominion Day. What will happen if we do not have this discussion now will be that if this legislation is passed, it will have tea be rushed through in the dying hours of the session. I protest most respectfully against that line of conduct, and I would ask that the rules of the House be adhered to and a discussion take place.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I am not asking for any departure from the rules of the House. The purpose that I have in view is one that should meet entirely the view of the hon. gentleman. It is highly probable, in fact, practically certain that the measure to which the House will eventually be .asked to give its assent, will differ in important respects from that which is embodied ;n this resolution, and for the reason that I want the House to have full opportunity of discussion, I am endeavouring now to advance the proceedings in order that the measure may be referred to the proposed committee and be reported upon as soon as possible, so that the hon. gentleman and those who concur in his view may have the full opportunity of debating it which all of us desire.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

Might I say to the hon. member for Brome (Mr. Mc-Master) that I think he misunderstands the remarks which the Prime Minister (.Sir Robert Borden) made a moment ago when

he interprets them as meaning that there had been any arrangement or understanding between the Prime Minister and myself in regard to this matter? The Prime Minister, as he stated this afternoon, informed me that in connection with this resolution there were certain matters which he believed could be more expeditiously and carefully dealt with toy a committee representative of both sides of the House, and that we would make more progress with what may be proposed in the way of legislation, through considering the matter in special committee and having a report for the House to act upon, rather than by having a general discussion which might range very far beyond the purpose of this resolution. When the Prime Minister spoke to me in those words, I thought the course he was suggesting was in the interest of expediting the business of the House .and that it was the part of wisdom not to bring up in this House for discussion many subjects that, perhaps, might be construed as coming within the scope of the resolution, but which, if it went to a committee, would be eliminated. There has been no understanding. I feel, however, in view of what the Prime Minister has said in the House today, which is exactly what he said to me privately, that the course which the Prime Minister has suggested is a wise course to pursue.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

That is a correct statement of what took place between the hon. member (Mr. Mackenzie King) and myself with regard to the matter, and the same is true with regard to my conversation with the hon. member for Marquette (Mr. Crerar).

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Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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L LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

Any remarks which I have to make upon this proposed legislation, I can withhold until it comes back to the House on the report of the Special Committee. What I wish to say, however, is this, that so far as I know, there seems to have been the same urgent necessity for this legislation since February 26. This House has been in session since February 26, and we have heard nothing at all about important legislation of this kind until we are almost prepared to pack up and leave the city. It seems rather strange on the part of the Government that they should have waited until this moment before bringing to the attention of the House this important legislation.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

If conditions were such as my hon. friend describes, this

legislation should have been introduced at an earlier date; but, as a matter cff fact, the conditions to which I alluded a moment ago, have only recently developed, and for that reason the legislation could not have been proposed at an earlier date.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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L LIB

Samuel William Jacobs

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

Might I point out to my right hon. friend that we have been dealing with the licensing of sugar for a considerable time back, and it is now proposed to extend the scope of the law to include other commodities?

Resolution reported and concurred in. Thereupon Rt. Hon. Sir Robert Borden (Prime Minister) moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 182, to amend the Customs Act.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   CUSTOMS ACT-RESOLUTION RESPECTING PROPOSED EXPORT REGULATIONS.
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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


LEAGUE OF NATIONS-SIR HERBERT AMES RETURN.


On the Orders of the Day:


L LIB

Henri Sévérin Béland

Laurier Liberal

Hon. H. S. BELAND (Beauce):

Has any arrangement been made with the hon. member for St. Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) who has returned from Europe, as regards his intention to address the House shortly in regard to the League of Nations?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   LEAGUE OF NATIONS-SIR HERBERT AMES RETURN.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I have no arrangement with the hon. member for St. .Antoine (Sir Herbert Ames) on that question. If the hon. gentleman returns to the House he is, of course, at liberty, as is every other hon. member, to speak upon any matter that is relevant to any question before the House. He may take advantage of some appropriate estimate in .Committee of Supply to make a statement with regard to the matter.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   LEAGUE OF NATIONS-SIR HERBERT AMES RETURN.
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POST OFFICE AND CUSTOMS DEPARTMENTS. .


On the Orders of the Day:


L LIB

Joseph Arthur Calixte Éthier

Laurier Liberal

Mr. J. A. C. ETHIER (Laval-Two Mountains) :

May I ask if it is true as stated by the press of the country, and especially by the Montreal Gazette of the 14th instant, that an Order in Council was passed on the 31st of May appointing Messrs. Griffen-kagen and Associates, Limited, of Chicago, as experts to reorganize the Civil Service, .particularly the Post Office and Customs Departments, at a salary of $10,000 per month, with travelling expenses, and so forth; and if so, whether the Government 230

intends to lay on the Table for the information of the House that Order in Council.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE AND CUSTOMS DEPARTMENTS. .
Sub-subtopic:   REPORTED INVESTIGATION BT A UNITED STATES FIRM.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Rt. Hon. Sir ROBERT BORDEN (Prime Minister):

My hon. friend upon referring to the Order Paper will observe that there is a question with regard to that matter, and also a motion. My hon. friend, who is an old member of the House, will realize the impropriety on my part of anticipating the motion and the question to which I have alluded.

. RUMOURED STRIKE OF POSTMEN. v On the Orders of the Day:

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE AND CUSTOMS DEPARTMENTS. .
Sub-subtopic:   REPORTED INVESTIGATION BT A UNITED STATES FIRM.
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L LIB

Archibald Blake McCoig

Laurier Liberal

Mr. A. B. McOOIG (Kent):

May I ask the Acting Postmaster General if there are any new developments with regard to the rumoured strike by the postmen?

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE AND CUSTOMS DEPARTMENTS. .
Sub-subtopic:   REPORTED INVESTIGATION BT A UNITED STATES FIRM.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Hon. N. W. ROWELL:

I am not aware of any new developments. I have seen the statement in the paper that they do not intend to strike, and I should expect that to be true from the knowledge I have of the .circumstances.

, SPECIAL WAR REVENUE ACT, 1916, AMENDMENT.

Topic:   QUESTIONS.
Subtopic:   POST OFFICE AND CUSTOMS DEPARTMENTS. .
Sub-subtopic:   REPORTED INVESTIGATION BT A UNITED STATES FIRM.
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EXCISE TAX RESOLUTIONS CONSIDERED IN COMMITTEE OF WAYS AND MEANS.

June 16, 1920