November 8, 1919

UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

If the people chose to wait a year. This law will not force anything on any one. It gives to all what they are willing to take the trouble to get.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING :

Assuming that the Order in Council were out of existence

and this law were in existence, then unless the people acted under it of their own initiative there would be no prohibition in the Dominion and no further prohibition in the province.

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UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

No.

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LIB

William Lyon Mackenzie King (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Mr. MACKENZIE KING:

That is what I want to be clear on. As a prohibition measure it seems to be a humbug, it is not prohibition in any province or in the Dominion.

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UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

If the hon. member looks upon all conditional legislation as humbug, perhaps he is justified in his assertion.

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UNION

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Unionist

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

I move that at the end of section 152 there be inserted the following subsection:

152 (a) The said proclamation shall be issued within three months after the receipt by the Secretary of State of the copy of the resolution referred to in the preceding section.

There is not time limit in the Bill, and this merely fixes the time limit.

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L LIB

Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

The amendment says

that the proclamation " shall ' be issued in three months. I think that in all legislation in which the King is supposed, to act the word " shall " is never used, but the word " may ".

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UNION

Joseph Elijah Armstrong

Unionist

Mr. J. E. ARMSTRONG:

I am willing to accept the hon. gentleman's suggestion.

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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. On section 153 of the Act-Proceedings thereafter to be the same as are prescribed for bringing Part II of Canada Temperance Act into force. Returns to be made to Governor in Council, who shall declare prohibition in force if more than one-half of total vote is in favour.


UNION

Edward Guss Porter

Unionist

Mr. PORTER:

This section provides that the Governor in Council shall declare the " prohibition or prohibitions " in force if . more than one-half of the total number of votes cast are in favour of such prohibition. This means that a single vote in favour of a referendum would be sufficient to compel the passing of an Order in Council. This is not a fair proportion, and I think it should be three-fifths. I therefore move that the words " more than one-half," in line 36, be struck out and the words " three-fifths " be substituted.

Amendment negatived: Yeas 8; Nays 26.

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UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

I move that this section be further amended by striking out, in lines 34 and 36, the words, " or prohibitions."

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Amendment agreed to. Section as amended agreed to. On section 154-If prohibition of manufacture declared, the manufacture of liquor is forbidden.


UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

I move to strike out

sub-clause 1 of this section, as we have abandoned the question of prohibition of manufacture. I move further that we strike out the figure 2, at the beginning of the second subsection, which now becomes the only provision in the section.

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UNION

Fred Langdon Davis

Unionist

Mr. DAVIS:

Mr. Chairman, may I ask if this is a private conversation? I cannot hear a single thing, and I am in the dark as to what is going on, although I have stayed here till after midnight and well into Sunday morning to hear what is taking place.

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UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

I am moving to strike out the figure 2 in section 154; it now becomes subsection 1 by the disappearance of the pre-existing section 1, which I moved to be struck out a moment ago.

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L LIB

David Arthur Lafortune

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LAFORTUNE:

Permit me, Mr. Chairman, to draw your attention to the fact that there is a law known as the Lord's Day Act, in which it is enacted that the Lord's Day shall mean the period of time beginning at 12 o'clock after noon on Saturday and ending at 12 o'clock after noon on Sunday.

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CON

George Green Foster

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir GEORGE FOSTER:

The point is not pertinent to the section under consideration.

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L LIB

Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

Until the House adjourns it is still Saturday.

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L LIB

David Arthur Lafortune

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LAFORTUNE:

Then how long does Saturday run

until 2 o'clock Sunday morning?

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UNION

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Unionist

Mr. DOHERTY:

It depends upon how long the hon. gentleman talks.

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November 8, 1919