October 21, 1919

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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

My hon. friend again is incredulous. My hon. friend knows he would not divest himself of patronage but would use it to the best of his ability. Therefore,'he does not credit anything that is done by anybody else.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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L LIB

William Duff

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DUFF:

It is a question of patronage.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. AROHAMBAULT:

Would the minister permit me to ask him a question?

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

Certainly.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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L LIB

Joseph Archambault

Laurier Liberal

Mr. AROHAMBAULT:

Will he tell the House whether the railways are under the Civil Service Commission?

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

No, they are not; they are under the direction of the board that manages them, and I say that any appointments or promotions in connection with that railway system are absolutely free from political interference, just as free as appointments or promotions under the Civil Service Commission are-both are absolutely free. One of the biggest things this Government, or any government in Canada, has ever done has been to divest itself of political patronage in the public interest in order that the public life may be freed from it and the public service thus benefited by it. Therefore, I say I believe this national system of railways can be managed in the public interest under public ownership in a way that will prove a success.

Then, Mr. Speaker, I wish to go a step further -and to say that so far a-s I am concerned, I am prepared to have them a little less efficiently managed, than they would be managed by private owners, if such is necessary under public ownership and still belive in public ownership. If there is one thing that has bedevilled the public life of this country it has been the influence of railway corporations.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Hear, hear.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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An hon. MEMBER:

Mackenzie & Mann.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

I venture to think, Mr. Speaker, that Canada will be much better off, even if it costs her some millions to operate her railways, than to have the influence, political influence, of great railway corporations in its public life. '

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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An hon. MEMBER:

Where would my

hon. friend be but for Mackenzie & Mann?

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

I would be here, but I am not quite -sure where my hon. friend would be but for the same influence.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

My hon. friends should not get uneasy. They do not like the truth, it seems to be worrying them quite a little.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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L LIB

Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Not from you.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

My hon. friend does not like it from me. Well, he sometimes has to take the truth even from unpalatable sources. I am sure a little truth will do him good.

Mr. Speaker, not only do I believe the National railway system can be operated and made a success from the business- standpoint, and that it is in the national interest to continue to do so, but I believe we will educate our people to the higher responsibilities of citizenship and to disinterested public service only as we trust them with these important responsibilities. The refusal to admit that a public utility can be operated fairly in the public interest i-s an absolute distrust of the people. It is a distrust of public -men; it is virtually to say that they are not prepared to give honest and efficient administration to the country. I do not so under-rate my fellow-citizens. I believe the -people of Canada are prepared to- support public men of both parties in giving an honest business administration of business affairs and eliminating political considerations entirely from them.

Mr. 'L. A. LAPOINTE: Give them a chance to say; go to the people on that question.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Newton Wesley Rowell (Minister presiding over the Department of Health; President of the Privy Council)

Unionist

Mr. ROWELL:

Go to the people? If we went to the people my hon. friends would not have a look in in the province of Ontario on the question of public ownership.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh, oh.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

Order. If hon. gentlemen desire to interrupt the speaker they might do the House the courtesy of rising and- submitting their questions.

Topic:   GRAND TRUNK RAILWAY 'SYSTEM.
Subtopic:   BILL, PROVIDING FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE SYSTEM BY THE GOVERNMENT.
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October 21, 1919