March 27, 1919

UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

No.

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Isaac Ellis Pedlow

Laurier Liberal

Mr. PEDLOW:

Is it the intention to insert in the Bill this provision which is contained in the resolution:

-and further to prescribe by regulation when and how often weights and measures and weighing and measuring machines are to toe inspected, verified and stamped ; and that the Governor in Council may prescribe a fee to be charged for a specified period, not to exceed one year.

Does that apply to measures of all kinds? For instance, in the drygoods business yard measures made of brass are used. These

are and must be stamped by the Government at the time they are purchased and before they are put into use. Must they, under this Bill, be examined periodically in future? A yard stick made of metal cannot be stretched or varied, and as it has the Government stamp on it, why should it be necessary to have a periodical inspection of measures of that kind? There are no doubt other measures that are in the same class. Once a measuring article of that kind has been approved by the Government, it cannot vary unless a man deliberately cuts a piece off, and that would be absurd.

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

I do not think this would include a measure of that kind.

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Isaac Ellis Pedlow

Laurier Liberal

Mr. PEDLOW:

I think it would be wise to except measures of that kind in the Bill, because otherwise there would be no end of trouble to men using them. Inspectors would be coming along at irregular intervals and charging merchants fees for inspections that would not be necessary.

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

I do not think the Act applies to that at all.

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Isaac Ellis Pedlow

Laurier Liberal

Mr. PEDLOW:

The resolution says "measures."

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

The hon. member might bring that matter up on the second reading when the Bill is printed.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I do not know whether the measures of electric currents and the inspection of meters come under this department or not. They used to come under the Department of Inland Revenue and they likely come under this department now.

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

This is under the Department of Trade and Commerce, but I think a different set of officials inspect electrical measures.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

When did that come under the Department of Trade and Commerce? It used to be under the Department of Inland Revenue.

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

If this is not in the minister's department. I hope whatever department has charge of the work will take note of what I have to say. In our pert of the country there is the greatest possible dissatisfaction in regard to these meters

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and the calculating and reading of meters. It is believed there is a great deal of filching from the public by reason of defective meters, and there is no proper inspection at all. If I want to get a meter in my house tested, I do not know where to go. We have no inspections and we have no official who takes any cognizance of this sort of thing.

When you take into consideration that there are hundreds of thousands of these meters all over the country, on whose readings men are paying out large sums of money, it can be readily understood how important it is that they should be tested and kept in proper order. So far as I know, there is no system of inspection at the present time, and I take this opportunity of bringing the matter to the attention of the minister.

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN (Halifax):

I shall be very glad to bring to the attention of the proper officer the remarks of the leader of the Opposition, and I shall ask him to write my hon. friend a letter. There is an inspection of electrical plants by Dominion officers, but whether that includes an inspection of household meters I cannot say. I would think, however, that meters are inspected at some stage or other by a federal officer, but whether that is done at the installation or from time to time thereafter I do not know. I would think that there ought to be in every city some official who would be available to any householder for the purpose of testing the meter. I shall be glad to look further into the matter.

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Donald Nicholson

Unionist

Mr. NICHOLSON (Algoma):

Are not electrical meters under provincial jurisdiction, just the same as the wiring of houses and buildings and all that sort of thing?

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Joseph-Fernand Fafard

Laurier Liberal

Mr. FAFARD:

The resolution proposes to define more clearly the ratio and proportion of the foot, French measure, or Paris foot. I understand that the Paris foot is the standard measure now. Why are we making a change?

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UNION

William Findlay Maclean

Unionist

Mr. MACLEAN:

I think the hon.

gentleman was not in the House when we were discussing this matter a moment ago. The change is being made at the suggestion of the Incorporated Society of Surveyors of the Province of Quebec. At the present time the Paris foot is defined as the equivalent of 12-79 inches. It is proposed to make it 12-789 inches.

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Joseph-Fernand Fafard

Laurier Liberal

Mr. FAFARD:

It is 12-789 now. I do not think it ever was 12.79.

Resolution reported, read and concurred in.

Mr. Maclean (Halifax) thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 42, to amend the Weights and Measures: Act.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the first time.


SUPPLY.


The House in Committee of Supply, Mr. Boivin in the Chair. Civil Government-Department of Customs and Inland Revenue Service-salaries, including Commissioner and Chairman, Board of Customs at $6,000, Assistant Commissioner of Customs at $4,©00, Assistant Deputy Minister of Inland Revenue at $4,600 - Contingencies, $43,000, $4613,387.50.


March 27, 1919