oeption of what production and consumption really mean. The hon. member for Springfield, speaking on this question a few nights ago, said with all the dramatic eloquence of which he is capable that the tragedy of the increase in the. freight rates was not that the freight rates were increased by fifteen per cent, but that on the very day the order went into effect the price of sugar in the West went up one-tenth of one cent per pound. Would he believe that the locomotive fireman who helps to market the western farmers' wheat found that on the day that the wheat commission set the price of wheat 180 per cent higher than it was in pre-war days his wife had to pay 125 per cent more for the bread to make the sandwiches that she put up in his .lunch basket? I have not heard anybody say that there was any tragedy' about that. I have heard people undertake to say that the price of wheat went up too high but I could not agree with them. I believe it was the right thing for the commission to do in order that they might induce greater production of the things necessary to feed the people during the war. I have also heard it said in business circles that, because the price of newsprint. paper went up fifty per cent it was no reason why the daily newspapers should have increased the prices in their job printing departments 200 and 300 per cent. I do not agree with that. I am just repeating these statements but they do not represent my own views. I do not agree with 'the callous-hearted people who make these statements, and the only reason I refer to them is that I believe that when the hon. member undertakes to stage a tragedy based on the fact that one-tenth of a cent a pound has been added to the price of sugar he should at least exercise some little regard in the selection of the costume that the villain is going to appear in. To come back to the main question. Whatever is done with the Canadian railways, one thing that is necessary, if we are going to have efficiency and economy, is to find some means of keeping the overhead charges down to a proper basis and putting the .railways in the hands of men who will operate them independently of any political considerations whatever and just the same as a private company would operate its own railway.
Mr. MANI'ON: The hon. gentleman
speaks about the Australian railways; what about the German, Belgian, French and Swiss State-owned railways?