able gentlemen; I have not a word to say against them, but I do think that two or three good Cabinets could Ibe formed ont of the material found in the members of Parliament gathered around this Government. There is scarcely a township or county council in Canada could not furnish material just as good-I say this with all due respect-as that which is found in those who are carrying on the affairs of this country. There is method in my madness ; what I want to impress on the House is that we should trust the people. If some of the people I have mentioned could not make a better showing than some members of the Government, Hod pity them. Let us, therefore, be careful that, in seeking to establish democracy in Germany, we do not establish autocracy in Canada.
Some few months ago a general election was held in Canada. In the election campaign the one great issue that was set before the people was: " Strain every effort to win the war and to preserve the priceless gem of liberty, and do it quickly." We supported the Government and der-manded prompt action with efficiency rather than slow deliberate action without full efficiency. That was seven months, ago. In 1915, within seven months from the organization of the first Canadian expeditionary force, 33,000 men from Canada had crossed over to Great Britain, and between
15,000 and 20,000 of them had crossed to France and Belgium, and had immortalized themselves by winning one of the greatest victories in the world. These men, who were termed by gentlemen of repressive tendencies as untrained, .undiiscfplinedi soldiers, when they Were confronted in that battle with from ten to twenty times their number of Germans, .showed the world what democracy could do. It is my prayer and, I believe, it is the prayer of the Allied forces, that the remnant of that gallant band shall yet tread the soil ol Germany as conquerors and victors in this great struggle. Seven months ago the Military Service Act was brought in. Comment is needless.
This is a new House, composed of new men, independent thinkers, men not yet circumscribed by so-called party - discipline. True discipline in educational as well as in .military matters, means, as I have always maintained, freedom of thought and action, instruction, development, polish, capability, strength of character, and resolution. These are the characteristics of discipline, according to the proper interpretation, of the term. The so-called discipline is merely repression. The
members of this House are not yet influenced as the party whips mildly crack the lash, but they are strong, capable men, resolute of purpose to help this Government and if necessary, to compel this Government to live up to its preelection promises in regard to winning the war, and to go as far and as fast in that regard as the Government chooses to go. We are behind the Government's back until the finish. The people at large impel hon. members, while they in turn, in firm, kindly ways, will inspire the Government to action. The aim which actuates this House is to help to win the war; to help to smash the enemy; to help to maintain pure and unsullied the freedom our ancestors won and which they have handed down to us; to help to overthrow and root out every vestige of tyranny to be found in Germany, aye, or in Canada,-and, let it be done quickly. Action is- the word. I know I voice the sentiments of my colleagues when I urge the Government to full, energetic, effective and whole-hearted action, and I have said, we are behind them as far and as fast as they choo<se to go. along those lines. The true people of Canada, worthy of the fullest trust and confidence, stand behind us and them. Let chloroform methods, therefore, disappear from the public life of this country, and let true democratic principles prevail.
There are immediately before the people of Canada four great problems. There is another problem which I look on as an after-the-war problem, of which my hon. friend from Moosejaw (Mr. Calder) has charge, and which I regard as only second in importance to the furnishing of men. These four problems are food, money, inspiration, and men, and in these the problems of producing and saving in producing and of spending and saving in spending, are simple. With the production of food I shall not detain the House, as that matter is in good hands. Production has been hampered by the cost of agricultural implements, not so much on account of the duty as on account of the long term notes and high cost of financing these articles. As regards the saving of food, it may be noted that at the beginning of the war, it cost a great deal of money to dispose of camp refuse. We set to work, however, and turned what had formerly been a great source of expense into a source of revenue, and I have every reason to believe that the Minister of Militia has been carrying out the plan laid down in the early days of the war. All the garbage of the camps was
turned into a source of revenue. Hundreds of hogs, and in some camps, thousands of hogs were fed and sold, and in that way the country reaped large sums of money. I would respectfully suggest that if1 the Food Controller wants some simple lines upon which to act, he might consult General Langton, who is now Paymaster General at headquarters, and Colonel Mullin, of Winnipeg, who has had a good deal of experience in this matter. At the start, the quantity of rations issued to the men was here and there a little too great. This excess was claimed by those people as their own property and was disposed of in ways which we did not consider to be to advantage of the people of Canada who were footing the bills. Accordingly, we formed plans which we put into operation, and I have it on the authority of the Paymaster General who has recently retired, that up to that period we had saved upwards of $2,000,000 on little odds and ends in connection with rationing alone. The same policy was carried out on the other side, and by saving in little things in our food production, we saved very large sums of money to the Dominion of Canada. I believe all these plans, perhaps with improvements, are being carried on by my successor.
Let us next take up the question of raising money, and saving it while we are raising it. I regret exceedingly that the Minister of Finance (Sir Thomas White) is absent. We miss his genial smile and presence. I regret his illness very much, but there are conflicting reports regarding it. The House was one day officially informed that the Minister of Finance was ill. The next day the press agencies of California offered to the press of Canada a message of a thousand words comprising an interview which had supposedly taken place with the Minister of Finance and (proving that he was not ill, but that he was in the best of health. That report was confirmed by travellers and others who had the pleasure of meeting the Minister of Finance in California. The House was subsequently informed that it was the purpose of the Minister of Finance to return to Canada, but he was importuned not to return to this country until his health was fully restored, but to go to Washington. There has been considerable comment , throughout the country on these statements. I do not wish to enter into them, but there is nothing that the public like more than to be fully trusted, and nothing that they dislike more than to find themselves sidetracked. I shall not use any stronger terms.
One is impelled to ask this question: Is the real aim in this regard to help the boys at the front to win the war, or to help certain directors to retain peaceful possession and control of munitions and money raised by this Government?
At the outbreak of the war in 1914, times were hard; depression was found on every side; dinner pails were empty, and'poverty stalked through the homes of the land. The Minister of Finance declared that he could not finance for more than 20,000 men, and objected to sending 33,000 men overseas. He was reasoned with and urged to raise sufficient revenue, and finally we got the
33,000 men across. I shall not enter into the details of this, because they are all [DOT]well known to hon. members and to the people of this country. Lord Kitchener, early in the war, cabled me for 200,000 [DOT]shells, asking me to get them made in the United States of America. I shall not enter into this matter further than to point out that at once the idea of raising revenue and making the country prosperous presented itself to us, and the shells were accordingly made in Canada. The only member of the Government whom I consulted on this matter was the Prime Minister, and in all fairness to him I must say that on that and every other ' occasion I got every assistance and backing from him. It was impossible to get these two hundred thousand shells made in Canada at first, because our manufacturers and financiers lacked confidence, and it took a week or more to get the thing under way. But I knew that if once the thing were started, money would come into this country; we should have plenty of money in the banks for carrying on the war and for any other purposes for which we might require it, and the dinner pails would be filled. The plan was that I was to act as Lord Kitchener's direct agent. The Shell Committee was set up, who were to make contracts for shells with me, as the representative of the British Government. Several questions came up; for instance, whether we should use basic or acid steel; then there were the questions of copper and zinc and explosives and of procuring fish and other supplies in this country. But these are all old stories. Suffice it to say that in a very short period thereafter we had money in Canada in every bank, and in the pocket of every man and woman throughout the length and breadth of this land. We had a period of prosperity such as we had never experienced before. Upwards of one billion and a half of money was deposited in the