May 6, 1918

NEW MEMBER INTRODUCED.


John Alexander Stewart, Esq., member for the electoral division of Lanark, introduced by Sir Robert Borden and the Hon. J. D. Reid.


WAR-TIME ELECTIONS ACT , AMENDMENT.


Rt. Hon. Sir ROBERT BORDEN (Prime Minister) moved leave to introduce Bill No. 72, to amend chapter No. 39 of the Statutes oE 1917. He said: One of the provisions of the War-time Elections Act was thait polling day 'should be |the twenty-eighth day after nomination day. That provision was inserted by reason of the enactment in regard to military voters. As the Military Voters Act does not apply to byelections, it is not desirable that there should be an interval of four -weeks instead of one week between nomination day and polling day, in the case of by-elections. The purpose of this amendment is to provide that paragraph D of section 2 of the Wartime Elections Act shall apply only to a general election. Motion agreed to and Bill read the first time. MILITARY SERVICE ACT VOTE-PAIRS. On the Orders of the Day:


L LIB

Isaac Ellis Pedlow

Laurier Liberal

Mr. I. E. PEDLOW (South Renfrew):

Mr. Speaker, I would like to rise to a question of privilege. I find in the Renfrew Mercury, of Friday, May 3, the following:

The editor of the Mercury, happening to pick up in Toronto a copy of Hansard recording the votes in the Commons on the amended Military Service Act, was somewhat astonished to find that the M.P. for South Renfrew had failed to record himself on that issue.

I beg leave to state to the House that on that occasion I was paired with the hon. member for. Port Arthur and Kenora (Mr. Keefer), who was desirous of leaving for home on one of the night trains. At his special request and in order to accommodate that hon. member and with the permission and approval of the Liberal whip, I agreed to pair my vote and that was distinctly understood between myself and the Liberal whip. I wish to go on record as having been paired on that occasion, and if the hon. member for Port Arthur and Kenora were in the House I am sure he would corroborate my statement. Had I not been paired I would have voted against

the main motion-, as I had voted for the amendment exempting farmers.

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MILITARY SERVICE ACT.

LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR -SEEDING -OPERATIONS.


On the Orders of the Day:


L LIB

Hyacinthe-Adélard Fortier

Laurier Liberal

Mr. H. A. FORTIER (Labelle):

I ask the Minister of Militia and Defence (Major-General Mewiburn) if the sons of farmers are to be left on the farm for seeding purposes. I understood that the minister, when questioned from both sides of the House on Friday, gave us to understand that the sons of farmers were to be allowed to stay on the farm until a later date. In our district-Military District No. 3-they are already called; they were called immediately after the boys in the -cities had been called. The boys have been ordered to report on the eighth, ninth and tenth of this month.

I would like to know -if further orders will be given to the registrar to allow these boys to remain at their occupations on the farm for some time yet.

Major-General MEWBURN: Mr. Speaker,

I thought that the statement I made in the House last week was very clear. I said *that the registrars had been requested to send out notices to those in urban centres before they sent notices to the farmers. I stated that I believed that in some instances this direction had not been carried out in its entirety. There was no date specified at which the farmers' sons were to be called.

I announced on Friday that arrangements had subsequently been made by which these men must report as notified, and then on giving proper notification to the commanding officer of the battalion-, that they desired to go back to complete their sefeding, they would be given at lea.st two weeks' leave of absence for that purpose.

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Subtopic:   LEAVE OF ABSENCE FOR -SEEDING -OPERATIONS.
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L LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

treat them, as deserters. Arrangments have been made by -which, when they get their notices, they will get transportation to the points at which they have to report to the commanding officer. The commanding officers werq instructed by telegram on Friday to see, that those who get leave of albsence shall be supplied' with transportation bade. It will cause some delay but we are trying to expedite matters in every way possible.

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UNION

Samuel Hughes

Unionist

Sir SAM HUGHES:

Would it not be possible to notify these young men without having the country put to the cost of their transportation to and from divisional headquarters?

Major-General MEWBURN: We are endeavouring to do that now.

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TORONTO, NIAGARA AND WESTERN RAILWAY COMPANY-THIRD READING.


Mr. H. B. MORPHY (N. Perth) moved the third reading of Bill No. 37, respecting the Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company.


UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Hon. I. D. REID (Minister of Railways and Canals):

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UNION

John Allister Currie

Unionist

Mr. J. A. CURRIE (North Simcoe):

The explanation of the minister is satisfactory, but I would like to have some additional information. Did I understand from the minister that the right Off way from Toronto to Hamilton is owned by the Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company?

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Hon. Mr. REID:

The right of way is owned entirely by the Canadian Northern Railway system, through the subsidiary companies, as -stated in the information which I have just read. Let me repeat, in answer to the hon. gentleman, that the titles to the right of way acquired through Hamilton are in the name of the Toronto, Niagara and Western railway, Toronto Dwellings, Limited, and Canadian Northern System Terminals, Limited.' The titles to- the right of way acquired through St. Catharines are in the name of the Toronto, Niagara and IVe-stern railway, and Toronto Dwellings, Limited, All the capital stock of all the above companies is owned by the Canadian Northern Railway system.

-Mr. CURRIE: That does not clear the situation at all. The facts are simply these: The Electrical Development Company, or the holding company, the Toronto Power -Company, owns the right of way from Toronto to Hamilton. They also own the right of way from Hamilton to the Falls with the exception of a piece of land in Hamilton, a piece of land in St. Catharines and a piece of land in Toronto. The rest of that right of way is [DOT] entirely owned by the Electrical Development Company, or Toronto Power Company, and these companies -are not owned by the Canadian Northern, but by the Toronto Street Railway Company. My information, which I think is absolutely correct, is that the Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company has leased a right of way from Toronto to Hamilton from the Electrical Development Company

or Toronto Power Company. They have expended over a million dollars and they have only sold $100,000 worth of stock. I think that before we put this Bill through the Minister of Railways should tell us, for instance, how much of this liability is going to be taken over by the Government and how much is the rental to be paid annually for the right of way from Toronto to Niagara Palls, and whether the Toronto, Niagara and Western Railway Company, whose charter we are now renewing, has an agreement with the Electrical Development Company, to pay so much a year for the right of way? I have never yet heard how much that amounts to. I would therefore ask the minister how much he expects he will have to pay annually for the lease of this right of way, and whether, instead of acquiring an asset, we are assuming a huge liability. The Canadian Northern interests control the Toronto Street railway, but that is a different corporation altogether from the Canadian Northern. All this right of way from Toronto to Niagara is owned really by the Toronto Power Company . through the Electrical Development Company or the Toronto Street Railway Company, and they own the land from Toronto to Hamilton, and lease it to this company. What is the rental per annum, and what liability are we taking over by renewing this charter? I am safe in saying that in renewing this charter and continuing these obligations the country will be mulcted for at least half a million dollars of rental a year. I would like to know if the minister knows how much this railway company is obligated to pay annually to the Electrical Development Company, a subsidiary of the Mackenzie and Mann interests, and how much liability is assumed if we carry out this agreement? This company which we are virtually rechartering has no railway right of way, no tracks or anything else, and for a number of years it has rented a right of way over this ground owned by the Electrical Development Company. I think the minister himself will acknowledge that his information is not correct when he says t.hait the whole right- of way from Toronto to Hamilton is owned by this new company. I think he has been misinformed in that regard. The letter is very iskilfully written. It says that this company owns a piece of land in the city of Hamilton, also in Toronto and in St. Catharines, and that the title to all this land is in the Canadian Northern Railway Company. As a matter of fact, the title of that strip of land, the land through Hamilton, is not owned by

this railway company, but is owned by a company of Sir Henry Pellatt's, known as the Toronto Dwelling Company. It is believed that the stock of that company is all held by the Canadian Northern, and probably that is correct. The fact remains, however, that this company is obligated to the Toronto Power Company for the annual lease of the land between Toronto and Hamilton.

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

The statement I made disproves that statement altogether. It is absolutely wrong. The letter I have received, as I stated, came from the accountant for the Government of the Canadian Northern in Toronto. The Canadian Northern system owns this right of way absolutely. The Electrical Development Company have a right of way alongside this road. There is nothing in the statement made by the hon, member for Simcoe.

iMr. CURRIE: I can assure the minister of what I know are facts, and the titles examined in the registry office show exactly the condition of affairs as stated by me. If there is any right of way between Toronto and Hamilton owned by this company, it has been recently purchased. The Toronto Power Company own a strip of land one hundred feet wide running from Hamilton to Toronto. I am not a betting man, but I would be safe in betting any amount of money that not one inch of that land outside of the corporation limits of either Toronto or Hamilton is owned by anybody except the Toronto Power Company's subsidiary, the Electrical Development Company, but this railway company has a lease of it. I want the minister to state to the House whether this company owns title to those lands, or has a lease for this land, and if there is any liability for the annual rental for it. Before we pass the third reading, I want to be assured that this company, which we are taking over has n.ot to pay a large sum annually for the lease of the land between Toronto and Hamilton.

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

I may say that they have not to pay one dollar. There is no lease.

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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. OAHILL:

I am not quite clear on the question as to whether or not we have a right of way from Toronto to St. Catherines or only a right of way in a part of Toronto. Have we a right of way between Hamilton and Toronto? That letter does not say so.

[iMr. Currie.]

'Mr. SPEAKER: I would remind hon. members that we are not in committee, and the minister has already spoken.

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UNION

John Allister Currie

Unionist

Mr. CURRIE:

There are some questions to be put on this Bill which should he answered.

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May 6, 1918