April 25, 1918

LIB

William Cameron Edwards

Liberal

Mr. EDWARDS:

My hon. friend has mentioned this Museum building that we are meeting in. If the building they are putting up in Quebec is going to be like this one it would be better if they took ten or fifteen years more to complete it. This building was constructed during the time my hon. friend was a minister of the Crown. By some, the building is regarded as absolutely unsafe. Only a short time ago they had to take part of it down to prevent the whole thing from coming down. I presume the plans for this building bad the hon. gentleman's approval when he was a member of the Government. Therefore, when he recommends an architect as able to carry out a work to perfection in a very short time, I take his recommendation with a very large dose of salt, in view of what his architects have done. Here is a building with cracks in it; it is going to pieces, sliding down the hill into the canal or

somewhere else. This building was put up at a time when the hon. gentleman had a say in the erection of public buildings.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

This Museum building was erected long before I. became a member of the Government. My hon. friend knows the reasons for the cracks in it.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

The contract for the reconstruction of the post office in Quebec was for the lump sum of $385,000, and was given on the 23rd of March, 1913. Extra work was authorized to the amount of $21,501, and there is extra work now under adjustment amounting to $3,000. So the total probable cost is $409,50l. Up to the 14th of March last the contractor had been paid $400,032, leaving a balance required to fill the contract of $9,468. It is possible that other small portions of the work will have to be finished up. A wall of some kind is being removed by the department, and it is suggested that this work should be done by the contractor; that "will require adjustment. In order to be sure that this matter will be cleaned up without delay, we are asking for $15,000.

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Henri-Edgar Lavigueur

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LAVIGUEUR:

Was a claim sent in to the department by the contractor on account of the loss occasioned to him by the increased cost of labour and material?

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

A claim was sent in either by the contractor or by his solicitor. It was not paid. Hon. gentlemen can rest assured that we will treat this matter purely as a business proposition.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

Who looks after the valuation of land expropriated by the Department of Public Works? [DOT]

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

An estimate of the value is made by some one in the locality considered as an expert and, if it can he arranged; an agreement is made with the owner for the taking over of the land on a reasonable basis. If such an agreement cannot be made, the matter goes to the Exchequer Court.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

I see in the Auditor General's Report that a gentleman named Amyot received the sum of $1,000 in full and final settlement of all claims in connection with the expropriation of a land site. Can the minister give me the particulars of this $1,000 payment?

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

This man was the owner of part of a site, and a settlement was made with him. That is all the information I have, but I will furnish all the facts

connected with the matter if the hon. gentleman so desires.

Grosse Isle Quarantine Station-Boiler

houses, new Boilers, etc., $30,000.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

Is this for a new boiler house, or for repairs to the old one?

Mr. tCARVELL: I understand that this is for additional boilers. Quarantine stations are under the control of the Department of Agriculture; the Public Works Department erect the buildings for them. During the last session a lengthy discussion took place in the House with regard to the voting of $115,000 or $120,000 for the erection of new buildings at Grosse Isle. The De>

partment of Agriculture informs me that it is absolutely necesary that the quarantine station there be completed before the troops begin to return in large numbers. During seven months of the year the troops will have to come by the St. Lawrence, and necessary quarantine accommodation will have to be provided. I threw all the obstacles. I could in the way of the erection of this building, but the officials of the Agricultural Department persisted in saying that the expenditure is absolutely necessary, and, therefore, I cannot refuse it. if we go on with the new buildings it may not be necessary to instal this new plant, but if we do not the additional amount for heating plant will have to be spent. The work will be done by tender and contract. As presently advised, I think it will be necessary to proceed with this work on a large scale during the coming summer. Nearly four years ago tenders were called for part of this work; they amounted to about $150,000. In all probability we will not have to construct the whole work as has been proposed, but there will at least have to be the main administration, building and two units in the place of wards. It has not been definitely decided to do so, but in all probability we shall proceed with the work in the near future.

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Mr. DEOHENE@

I understand that the foundation of the new quarantine station has already been laid and part of the work done.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

Yes.

Mr. DEC'HENE: Is it known that the pillars were not amply protected and that, through the influence probably of water or frost, some of them are tipping over?

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

That is news to me. I have asked my deputy about it, and he says that it is news to him also. We will

have inquiry made into the matter at once, and if my hon. friend's information is cor-[DOT] rect, we shall see who is responsible.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

One of the men who is in charge of the foundation work came to my office last winter and told me that he had observed that some of the pillars were somewhat tipped over. He suggested that they might have to be rebuilt, and asked me, when I should go to Ottawa, to. point out that this deficiency was not the fault of the contractor; that the pillars were not sufficiently protected.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

I do not understand that. If the pillars were properly constructed frost would not interfere with them. It would be a reflection on any man if he erected buildings or works of any kind under these conditions. I can assure my hon. friend that we will have this matter investigated and find out what the facts are.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

There was a complete foundation in some places and in some other places there were just pillars set in the ground. Of course they had to make a deep hole to reach a solid rock foundation. The hole was filled with ice and water during the winter and probably that caused the trouble with the pillars.

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Frank Broadstreet Carvell (Minister of Public Works)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CARVELL:

I find from the notes placed before me that tenders were called for these foundations early in the autumn of 1913 and that a contract was let on the 21st November, 1913, to J. B. Gallibois or Montmagny for $20,753. The total amount that was finally paid to the contractors on the 3rd August, 1915, was $22,541. There was a payment of $20,759 on the contract, plus $2,788, allowed for extra piling. These are all the facts I have. I am very much interested in what the Iron, gentleman tells me and I shall . certainly have the matter investigated.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

Will the new boiler house and boilers be connected with the new hospital or are they to supply power to the old building? .

Mr. 'CARVELL: I think I was in error in the statement I made a few moments ago. The proposed boilers 'are for the disinfecting plant and for necessary purposes at the wharf. They are at the old building and I think they will have nothing to do with the new hospital referred to in the other item.

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Mr. DEOHENE@

I see an item for " improvements and repairs to buildings and fittings, furniture." Are these fittings and

furniture supplied by contract or by day's work under direction of the commanding officer? .

/Mr. CARVELL: I can only say again that if any of these works are sucfh that we can properly call for tenders, tenders will be called. You can quite readily conceive that there may be a condition of affairs, such a9 tearing down and rebuilding, under which it would not be possible to properly specify the work. It is pretty hard to call for tenders for that kind of work but every portion of this work which is new, or which is well defined, or for which a proper specification can be intelligently prepared, will be done by tender and contract. The remainder will be done by the officials of the Public Works Department who are responsible in that part of the province of Quebec.

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Joseph Bruno Aimé Miville Déchêne

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DECHENE:

I do not ask this question with the idea of making trouble. I understand that during the last few years there was a contractor in charge of work in connection with the quarantine station there. He was supposed to look after the furniture and fittings in the Government buildings. Last year, I understand, some work was done by the labourers under the supervision of the commanding officer. I *would like to know why there was a change and if any money was saved as a result of it.

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April 25, 1918