April 17, 1918

UNION

Fred Langdon Davis

Unionist

Mr. DAVIS:

Would the insertion of the word " heretofore " or " hitherto " after the word " persons " in the first line make it clear?

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Between the words " person " and " holding "?

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I have no objection to the insertion of the word " now " between the word " persons " and the word "holding" in the first line of subsection 4 of Section 1, and I move that that word be inserted.

. Amendment agreed to.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

Should we not repeat the word in line 18, between the word " persons " and the word " receiving "?

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I think the one amendment will suffice.

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Section agreed to. On section 2-Three additional Ministers may receive salaries if same voted by Parliament.


UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I move

That clause two of the Bill be amended:

(a) toy substituting the words "authorize" and "authorized" for the words "provide" and "provided" in lines twenty-eight and thirty-two, respectively;

(b) by adding the following clause as subclause two:-

"(2.) The provisions of this section shall be deemed to have come into operation on the twenty-third day of October, one thousand nine hundred and seventeen, and to apply and extend to the Chairman of the Sub-Committee on Labour Problems and to the Vice-Chairman of the Reconstruction and Development Committee, and they shall be deemed to have been named by the Governor in Council under the provisions of this section on the said date, and shall each receive a salary of seven thousand dollars per annum." ; and

(c) by changing the number of sub-clause two to three.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Yes.

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Arthur Bliss Copp

Laurier Liberal

Mr. COPP:

The Government ha3 authority to appoint three.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

There is no intention of utilizing that power at present.

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Joseph Read

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JOSEPH READ:

I would suggest that if a third is to be appointed the Government should create the position of Minister of Fisheries, making it distinct from the Department of Naval Service.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I will give the suggestion very careful consideration. We have had suggestions along that line already.

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Arthur Bliss Copp

Laurier Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I would further suggest that he be appointed from Prince Edward Island.

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Amendment agreed to. Section, as amended, agreed to. On section 1-salaries:


UNI L

William Stevens Fielding

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. FIELDING:

Perhaps it might be better for the Prime Minister to reserve subsection (3) for further consideration. Amending Bills of this nature are sometimes a dangerous thing, and I think there is something in the contention of my hon. friend from Three Rivers (Mr. Bureau) that the clause goes beyond what the Prime Minister intends. It might be just as well to reserve the Bill for further consideration,

after consultation with the Parliamentary counsel.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

There is a great deal of force in what my hon. friend suggests. We do not have it in mind at all that three ministers of the Crown should have this immunity from seeking a new mandate from their constituents. If the section does not mean what we intend it will have to be amended, and I am quite ready to accept my hon. friend's suggestion.

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Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

There may be some question about it. As a matter of fact, I am not quite sure that all the provisions of the Bill were necessary. My hon. friend the Minister of Customs (Mr. Sifton) points out that in section 12 of chapter 10 there is a provision that,

Nothing: in this Act shall render ineligible any person holding any office .... which is hereafter created, to be held by a member of the King's Privy Council for Canada and entitling him to be a Minister of the Crown.

I do not know whether the attention of parliamentary counsel was directed to that particular feature of the Act relating to the Senate and the House of Commons. Some of the provisions of the Bill seem to be possibly superfluous. I am quite content to let the Bill remain in committee and we can deal with subsection (3) of section 1 on some future occasion.

Progress reported.

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ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.

April 17, 1918