April 17, 1918

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Ernest Lapointe

Laurier Liberal

Mr. E. LAPOINTE:

Subsection 2 of section 2 should be added to this section also, that is, that the provisions of this section shall only continue in operation during the present year and for one year thereafter.

As subsection 3 of section 1 stands at present, those gentlemen who will be appointed as (Secretary, of State, Minister of Immigration and Colonization and Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment will never have to be re-elected.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Does my hon.

friend mean that those officers should be temporary?

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L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

When we were making

our argument, the Prime Minister told us that we need not worry for the future, because this Act would be for the war and one year thereafter.

Sir ROBERT BORD'EN: I was speaking of section 2.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Is it the intention of the Prime Minister, if, after the war, he should choose to take a member of the House for one of the positions named in this subsection, that such minister should not go before the people to have his position ratified in accordance with the existing law for preserving the Independence of Parliament?

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

No.

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L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

The restriction applies

only to section 2?

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I thought I

made myself fairly clear with regard to the matter. I shall try to do so again. The office of Secretary of 'State for External Affairs is not. a temporary office, it is a permanent office. 'The position of Minister of Immigration and Colonization is not a temporary office; it is a permanent office. As regards the Minister of Soldiers' Civil Re-establishment and the Parliamentary Secretary of that department, I explained to the House, when the resolution went through, that while these are not intended as permanent positions, nevertheless it is impossible at the present time to define any period within which they should cease to exist. I- pointed out further that, under an Act 'which has passed this House during the present session, it is possible to dispense with them at any time, or to amalgamate that department with some other department.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

I think the Prime Minister does not understand the objection.

'Sir ROBERT BORDEN: Perhaps I do

not.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Air. BUREAU:

I shall try to make it

again. The answer made to my hon. friend

from Kamouraska (Mr. E. Lapointe) was that this Act would be only for the war and one year thereafter.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

That applies

only to section 2.

(Mr. BUREAU: And at any time after

the war subsection 2 and subsection 3 of section 1 will he in force.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Subsection 1

will be in force certainly.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Subsection 3 says:

Nothing in the Dominion Elections Act or in the Senate and House of Commons Act, Revised Statutes of Can'adia, 1906, chapters 6 and 10 respectively, or in any other Statute or law, shall render ineligible any person accepting or holding any of the said offices of Secretary of State for External Affairs,-

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

I think I understand what is in my hon. friend's mind. He thinks this provision is destined to prevent the necessity of an election.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

It does not do anything of the kind.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

It means simply that men appointed to those positions in October last need not he elected again, because they have already been elected. But if any gentleman in this House was appointed to one of those positions in the future, he would have to go before his constituents for re-election.

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Lucien Cannon

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CANNON:

The subsection says

" accepting or holding." The argument of my right hon. friend would apply to the ministers who are holding office at present, but not to those who will accept office later.

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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Certainly, it does not disqualify a minister from accepting or holding office, otherwise he would not be in the House of Commons; but when he accepts one of those offices he must go back to his constituency and be elected, the same as any other minister.

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April 17, 1918