April 16, 1918

UNION

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Unionist

Mr. SPEAKER:

If there be unanimous consent by the House there is no objection.

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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L LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

Does the return comprise the whole of the correspondence, including the reply of Mr. O'Connor?

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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UNION

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Unionist

Mr. CROTHERS:

The correspondence is up to date.

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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L LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

I cannot ask more than correspondence that is up to date.

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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UNION

Thomas Wilson Crothers (Minister of Labour)

Unionist

Mr. CROTHERS:

I do not know whether my right hon. friend has any information in advance of what I have, but the correspondence is all there up to date so far as I know.

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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L LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

As to that I am in the hands of the minister.

Topic:   THE RESIGNATION OF MR. W. F. O'CONNOR.
Subtopic:   CORRESPONDENCE LAID ON TABLE BY MINISTER OP LABOUR.
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ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.

COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.


On the motion of Hon. Mr. Crerar (Minister of Agriculture) the House went into committee on the following proposed resolution, Mr. Boivin in the Chair: Resolved, That it is expedient to amend the Animal Contagious Diseases Act, chapter seventy-five of the Revised Statutes of Canada, 1906, as amended by chapter six of the statutes of 1913, and to provide that the Governor in Council may order a compensation to be paid .to the owners of animals slaughtered under the provisions of the Act, the value of the animal to be determined by the Minister or by some person appointed by Mm, but the value, except as otherwise provided by the Aot, not to exceed In the case of grade animals two hundred dollars for each horse, eighty dollars for each head of cattle and twenty dollars for each pig or sheep, and in the case of pure bred animals five hundred dollars for each horse, two hundred and fifty dollars for each head of cattle and seventy-five dollars for each pig or sheep. These amendments to remain in operation for three years. Mr. 'CRERAR: I think a word of explanation will suffice 'for this resolution. At the time this Act was originally passed the values upon which compensation was based for the slaughter of condemned animals were fixed by statute, in the case of cattle $60 per head and for pigs and sheep $15 per head, and the compensation allowed when animals were condemned and slaughtered was two-thirds of the value set by statute. Owing to the increased value of these animals at the present time, the compensation allowed when they are ordered to be destroyed does not adequately compensate their owners. The intention of the Act when originally drafted, as I understand it, was to encourage the reporting to the proper authorities of animals which might be affected by some contagious disease, so that they could be properly examined, and, if found a menace, destroyed. I think it is only proper that now, when the value of these animals has increased, and in some cases doubled, beyond what it was at the time the Act was originally passed, that the limit upon which compensation can toe fixed should be raised, and that is the purpose of the resolution.


L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Under the old Act, was there any distinction made between grade and pure bred cattle?

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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UNI L

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CRERAR:

There was.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. IMURPHY:

But not as great a distinction as exists here?

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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UNI L

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. GRERAR:

The value of the animal was based upon the market values prevailing at the time the Act was passed. I am not at the moment able to say whether that applies to pure bred cattle or not. I am of opinion that it does not, but that is a point that can be taken up by the committee.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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Hugh Boulton Morphy

Unionist

Mr. MORPHY:

Can the minister state the amount of money that has been paid, say, for the last fiscal year, for purposes of this kind?

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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UNI L

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CRERAR:

I am sorry that I cannot give that information at the moment, but the officials of the department estimate that the change in the regulations suggested here will probably involve an additional outlay of $10,000 a year.

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Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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L LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY:

Will the valuation under the proposed legislation be $200 and the compensation two-thirds of that amount, as against the valuation $150 and a compensation of two-thirds under the old Act?

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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UNI L

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CRERAR:

That applies to horses.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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L LIB

John Patrick Molloy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MOLLOY:

Yes.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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UNI L

Thomas Alexander Crerar (Minister of Agriculture)

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. CRERAR:

The proposed change does not affect horses; it only applies to cattle, swine and sheep. I omitted to point out a moment ago that the value upon which compensation would be based in the case of horses was changed a year or two ago; I am not certain of the date.

Mr. WM. SMITH: I would like to congratulate the minister upon having taken a step in the right direction. The owner of live animals found to be suffering from contagious disease may not be at fault and therefore he should be recouped in some way or other. I do not find fault with the minister's figures so far as thoroughbred animals .are concerned, but I do not think he has gone far enough in connection with the grades. The compensation fixed for grade horses is all right. But it does not take much of an animal, in the case of cattle, to be worth $80. The minister should have gone at least $120. In the case of swine, we all know that, at 20 cents a pound it does not take much of a hog to represent $20. I would suggest that that amount be raised to $30, leaving the compensation, for sheep as it is. I would suggest to the minister that, when he introduces his Bill, it should .be on the lines indicated here today.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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L LIB

Archibald Blake McCoig

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McCOIG:

I .agree with the hon. member for South Ontario (Mr. Smith) that there might be a slight advance made in regard to grade cattle. I feel satisfied that the minister is taking a step in the right direction, but I question if he is going quite far enough. The great difficulty we have had .in Ontario in regard to swine and cattle which is condemned a.t different abattoirs, is that a percentage is deducted from the buyers, and the buyers deduct it from the producers. That has caused a great deal of dissatisfaction. The Government have inspectors in the abattoirs where the stock is slaughtered, and when a diseased animal is condemned, the cost comes back either on tihe buyer or on the seller to the extent of one-half of one per cent, which is deducted by the buyer from all the purchases that he makes throughout the country. Some buyers deduct from the seller; some stand the loss themselves. But the

abattoirs exact that percentage from all the buyers irrespective of whether it comes out of the farmer or not. I believe the time is opportune for the minister to extend his legislation a little farther, and since the condemning is done by his own officers, instead of a deduction being made from an innocent party it would be well if the< Government were to make an allowance to overcome that, and so do away with the inconvenience, annoyance and dissatisfaction which occurs from time to time. I believe that last year, or the year before last, the packing houses, when extracting one-half ,of one per cent for this purpose alone, made a net profit of $165,000 above the value of what was really condemned, judging from figures which I have secured from the Department of Agriculture. This is a matter which I would be very glad to have the minister give his serious thought and attention to, and if he can effect a reform, it would be heartily appreciated and accepted with good-will by all the producers throughout Canada.

Topic:   ANIMAL CONTAGIOUS DISEASES ACT AMENDMENT.
Subtopic:   COMPENSATION FOR SLAUGHTERED ANIMALS.
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April 16, 1918