April 12, 1918

L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

It is 'a hide-and-seek

game.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

The Minister of Railways yesterday proposed a new resolution to increase the amount that might be voted for stores to $6,000,000. He told us the increase was required on accouht of the Transcontinental and International roads but he did not mention the Canadian Northern, and I inferred from that that he figured the Government did not at the present lime own the Canadian Northern. I am further strengthened in that opinion by the fact that the Government solicitor in Toronto two or three days ago made the statement -before the commission that he could not get a report of the earnings of the Canadian Northern Railway company since last October. Now, if we own the road, surely we should be able to get a statement of its earnings.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

I might say to the hon. gentleman that the statements were given to the solicitor immediately.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

Why did he have to go to the Commission and as-k for the statement? He said he could not get it from the proper sources. I know he got the statement the next day. Of course, he would have to get it; that is quite natural, but he could not get it up to that time. The hon. Minister of Finance states he does not want to have his estimates loaded up with a deficit. I do not think there is any question, if the railways of this country are managed by the Government as they have been, that we may forget about surpluses. It will be a question of deficits, and we want honest bookkeeping in this country. If we are making a loss on the railway, let us know it and show where we stand, and not try to cover it up by adopting some other system. If we are making a loss, it is a loss to Canada, and increasing Canada's debt, and why not show it,

as the hon. gentleman (Mr. Fielding) suggests?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Do I understand my hon. friend to say he is in favour of the resolution?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

No, he is against it.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

The resolution proposes to accomplish just what my hon. friend says he would like to see.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

In what way?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Inasmuch as the deficits-and he says we will always have a deficit-will be disclosed in the estimates because it must then be voted. Is my hon. friend supporting the resolution?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

No, he is against it.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

I do not understand that he is against it. I do not know wrhat he means.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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L LIB

Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

He wants Parliament to control public funds. .

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Parliament is not dispossessing itself of the control of anything. I understand him to say, in his judgment, the operation of railways in Canada fey the Government will always result in a deficit, and he would like to have these deficits put flearly before Parliament. Did I understand the hon. gentleman correctly? If I understood his statement rightly, this resolution, being enacted into the form of a Bill, will accomplish exactly what he wants. It has hardly been possible heretofore to know what was the actual result of the operation of the Canadian Government Railway system in Canada unless one took the trouble to go through the annual report. The Government has no desire to hide anything. I think that the Minister of Railways and Canals is perfectly justified in asking to be allowed to administer the Government Railway system in the same manner as other railways are administered.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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L LIB

Frank S. Cahill

Laurier Liberal

Mr. CAHILL:

Does not the resolution state that any unappropriated fund shall be drawn upon to the extent of the deficit?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

Perhaps my hon. friend did not hear the amendment proposed, and perhaps I was wrong in pressing my question because he had the original resolution before him. The amended resolution will read:

That It is expedient to provide that the working expenses of the Canadian Government Railways and of any railway under the charge and management or direction of the Minister of Railways and Canals shall be-

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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UNI L

William Stevens Fielding

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. FIELDING:

What does my hon. friend mean by " andof any railway under the charge and management or direction of the Minister of Railways and Canals?" Has he anything in his mind? Does that mean the Canadian Northern?

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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

No. I think it was intended to cover the Transcontinental railway.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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UNI L

William Stevens Fielding

Unionist (Liberal)

Mr. FIELDING:

That is part of the Canadian Government Railway system, is it not?

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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UNION

Alexander Kenneth Maclean (Minister Without Portfolio)

Unionist

Mr. A. K. MACLEAN:

I am not sure as to that.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
Subtopic:   SUSPENSE ACCOUNT PROPOSED.
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Some hon. MEMBERS:

Oh.

Topic:   REVENUES OF CANADIAN GOVERNMENT RAILWAYS.
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April 12, 1918