April 10, 1918

L LIB

Mr. VERVILLE:

Laurier Liberal

1. Has any inventory been made of the physical assets of the Canadian Northern, railway of Canada since the month of September, 1917, or within a year prior thereto?

2. If so, who made the inventory and when was it made ?

3. Is it the intention of the Government to have one made in the near future? If not, why?

Topic:   CANADIAN NORTHERN PHYSICAL ASSETS.
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UNION

Hon. J. D. REID: (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

1. An inventory was made of the physical assets of Canadian Northern railway by Professor [Swain. andJ is dated March 10, 1917. Full copy of report is included in Report of Royal Commission to Inquire into Railways and Transportation, and' which was laid on the Table of the House.

2. Answered toy No. 1.

3. An announcement will be made in due course after report of Arbitration Board has been received.

QUESTIONS PASSED AS ORDERS FOR RETURNS. .

Topic:   CANADIAN NORTHERN PHYSICAL ASSETS.
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L LIB

Mr. PAPINEAU: (Whip of the Liberal Party)

Laurier Liberal

1. How many buildings have been rented by the Government in the City of Ottawa since ^February 1, 1915?

2. Who are the owners of the said buildings?

3. Where are said buildings situated?

4. What rent per annum is paid for each building or part of building?

5. For what time or term are said buildings rented?

Topic:   CANADIAN NORTHERN PHYSICAL ASSETS.
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UNOPPOSED MOTIONS FOR PAPERS.

L LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

For a copy of all correspondence and other papers concerning the merger of the Bank of British North America with the Bank of Montreal.

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L LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

For a copy of all correspondence concerning the resignation of W. F. O'Connor, K.C., as Cost of Diving Commissioner.

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WAR GRANT, $500,000,000.

THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.


Right Hon. Sir ROBERT BORDEN (Prime Minister) moved the second reading of Bill No. 38 for granting to His Majesty aid for military and naval defence. He said: Mr. Speaker, I proposed the second reading of a Bill very much the same as this in February, 1917, and I had then great hope that it would never be necessary tjo propose in this House a vote for war purposes of so large an amount. Unfortunately, the duration of the war has greatly exceeded the anticipations we had at that time, and the present is a moment v hen the greatest effort of the nation seems to be required. It is not necessary, I hope, for me to say anything in support of the principle which this Bill embodies. It is, however, most desirable-indeed, absolutely necessary- that full information as to expenditure during the past year and estimates, for the coming year should be afforded to the House in order that they may consider whether or not the Bill in its present form should be approved. It is precisely in the same form as the Bill which passed this House last year. I propose, therefore, if it meets the view of hion. gentlemen opposite and of the House in general, that the House go into committee on the Bill, whereupon I shall give such information as is available with regard to the expenditure of the past and the estimate for the future. I shall endeavour to have that information placed upon Hansard in a form which will be quite intelligible. After I have discharged that duty, the Minister of Militia and Defence will give a statement to the committee setting forth information more especially upon the military side of the questions that are involved. We shall then be very glad to have suggestions from hon. gentlemen as to any further information that may be desired. I would then propose that the committee should rise and report progress, in order that the information thus spread upon the pages of Hansard may be taken into account with a view to further consideration of the Bill in committee on another day.


L LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Laurier Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

The suggestion of the Prime Minister, in so far as the method of giving information to the House is concerned, is quite acceptable. In older to facilitate business, the information which is usually conveyed to the House in a reso- -lution was postponed until the second reading of the Bill. We on this side of the House shall reserve our right to criticise the main features of the Bill, after the information promised has been received, when the Bill comes up again for discussion.

Topic:   WAR GRANT, $500,000,000.
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.
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Motion agreed to, Bill read the second time, and the House went into committee on the Bill, Mr. Boivin in the chair. On Section I-short title:


UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Before the Bill is_ considered section by section, it is desirable that I shall set forth, so far as it is available, the information to which I alluded in speaking upon the motion for the second reading. It is important that the committee should be informed of the war expenditures from the commencement so far as the returns have been received. Hon. gentlemen will, of course, realize that full particulars and details as to expenditures overseas are not available for some months 'after the expenditure has taken place.

The expenditure overseas has, naturally and necessarily, been under the direct supervision of the Auditor General. I think about two years ago we conferred with the Auditor General as to the desirability of his having special officers on the spot in England to audit the expenditures over there. We gave him an absolutely free hand. We told him to appoint for that purpose officers who should be resident overseas, and, if necessary, to establish a branch of his office in

It should he borne in mind, however, that it is only possible to give for the present year the totals of the items which have passed through the books of the Department of Finance up to date. Very large items chargeable to the past fiscal year, especially with regard to the overseas forces, may be expected to come in for a considerable time, yet, even as late as the end of June.

Topic:   WAR GRANT, $500,000,000.
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.
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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Will the details of the expenditure for the year 1917-18 be available to the committee?

Topic:   WAR GRANT, $500,000,000.
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

We will make

them available as far as we can. Of course, my hon. friend understands that the Auditor General's Report has not yet been prepared. We will give all information that is presently available. .

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Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.
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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

Will it be possible to

supplement that toy a statement, such as was afforded us last year and the year before, of the expenditure in addition to the information contained in the Auditor-General's Report?

Topic:   WAR GRANT, $500,000,000.
Subtopic:   THE PRIME MINISTER GIVES DETAIDS OF WAR EXPENDITURE AND MAJOR GENERAD MEWBURN EXPDAINS MILITARY ESTIMATES.
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UNION

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs)

Unionist

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

We did give

some such statement as that to which my hon. .friend alludes. I have some of that information now in connection with the estimates for the coming year. A very careful estimate has been made which I shall give to the committee in a few moments and that contains pretty full information as to the character of the expenditure which has been incurred during the past and previous years and which 'will have to be incurred during the year upon which we have just entered. I am just reminded toy the Deputy Minister of Militia and Defence that the report of the Militia Council, which has just been laid on the Table, and which will be distributed at once, contains information up to the 31st of March, 1917. As far as it is possible to supplement that in regard to the expenditure during the past fiscal year we shall give the information, of course.

Now, with respect to the character of the expenditure of the various departments during the past fiscal year and the estimated expenditure .for the fiscal year upon which we have entered, it will .be possible for me to make a statement in tabulated form. I hope hon. gentlemen will bear in mind that with respect to the expenditure during the past year there may be some discrepancy between the report which is given to me from the several departments and the report which I have just read from the Department of Finance because some of the

items which have been paid may not yet have gone through the books of the Finance Department. The report from the Department of Agriculture is as follows:

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EXPENDITURE BY DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.


1917-18 1918-19 Expenditure $63,001 10 Estimated Expenditure $317,000 00 The items of the expenditure of $63,001.10, as presented to me by the Department of Agriculture are as follows: Exemption representatives, expenditure $11,155 38Unpaid accounts 3,260 00Total Bacon-hog Campaign, expenditure 23,763 60Unpaid accounts 2,135 35Total Salaries of substitutes, expenditure Representatives at Leave-of-Absence Boards, expenditure 542 45 Unpaid accounts 5,500 00 Total



Grand total $63,001 10 The estimated amount required by the Department of Agriculture for 1919 shows an increase of $280,000, consisting of allowance for substitutes, $17,000; representatives at leave of absence board, $20,000, or a total of $317,000. The next item is Canada registration board. The estimate for the expenditure of that hoard is $1,000,000. The minister in charge, Hon. G. D. Robertson, informs me that voluntary service may reduce this amount by one-third, and he hopes it will be so reduced. The next item is- Gustoms. The expenditure during the past year was $10,000; the estimate for the coming year is $10,000, and it comprises salaries and expenses of certain officers employed to enforce the prohibiting orders respecting exports and imports under the War Measures Act. The next item is for the Department of External Affairs. The expenditure for the past year, as reported to me, is $19,914.46. The estimate for the present fiscal year is $35,000, and the increase is due to the transfer of the Prime Minister's office from the Privy 'Council to External Affairs. The Department of Finance is next. The expenditure during the past year reported to me is $38,847. The estimate for the coming year is $60,000, and the increase i3 largely attributable to the newsprint commission. The next item is with regard to immigration and colonization. The expenditure during the past fiscal year is, rofighly speaking, $30,000. The estimate for the present fiscal



year is $35,470. The actual expenditure from May 24 to February 28 last 4 p.m. was $22,228.64. The increased expenditure has been occasioned by closer inspection at the American border, under Order in 'Council number 1433, to prevent men eligible for military duty from leaving the country. Department of the Interior. The expenditure during the past fiscal year was $96,670, and the estimate for the present fiscal year is $100,000, or about the same amount. The expenditure is altogether, or nearly altogether, in the payment of substitutes for men who would have enlisted and gone-overseas.


April 10, 1918