April 9, 1918

L LIB

Joseph-Fernand Fafard

Laurier Liberal

Mr. FAFARD:

Might I ae-k the hon. minister if it As the intention of the Govern-men to increase the number of cars in the section between Levis and the east, including the -counties of Montmagny, L'Islet and Kamo-uraska? That section is a farming country, and I noticed last year that the farmers and lumbermen could not get the cars they required.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
Subtopic:   ACQUIREMENT BY MINISTER OF RAILWAYS FOR CANADA DURING THE PRESENT WAR.
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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Air. J. D. REID:

I took up with the

general manager a short time ago the question of providing cars in the very district mentioned, and he promised me that he would do his very best, and stated that he expected to relieve that situation within a very short time.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
Subtopic:   ACQUIREMENT BY MINISTER OF RAILWAYS FOR CANADA DURING THE PRESENT WAR.
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UNION

Fred Langdon Davis

Unionist

Mr. DAVIS:

May I ask the minister whether the calculation he has made includes the necessary equipment for the completion of the Hudson Bay railway?

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

No, that is not in this item.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
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LIB

Joseph Philippe Baby Casgrain

Liberal

Mr. GASGRAIN:

Following the example of the hon, member of L'Islet (Mr. Farfardi, I would like to say a few words regarding conditions in the district of Abitibi. Reading La Presse the other day, I came across an article headed " Colonization in the Abitibi," in which it was stated that there is practically a crisis in that region, that colonization and agriculture cannot be carried on for lack of means of transportation.

I know of a lumber company which has a great deal of lumber and pulpwood ready for shipment, thousands of cords of pulp-wood are ready for delivery, which cannot be sent to the United States, or to the wharves and harbours in this country, for the reason that there is no means of transporting it. I would like to ask the minister if it is his intention to remedy that situation.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
Subtopic:   ACQUIREMENT BY MINISTER OF RAILWAYS FOR CANADA DURING THE PRESENT WAR.
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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

I have had that question up with the board of railway commissioners and with the national defence association, and we have been, doing our best to relieve that situation. As I stated a few moments ago, the whole trouble is that if we send our Canadian cars to the United States we do not get them back, so we are then unable to transport the pulp-wood to the mills in Canada.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
Subtopic:   ACQUIREMENT BY MINISTER OF RAILWAYS FOR CANADA DURING THE PRESENT WAR.
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L LIB

Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DEVLIN:

Abitibi is in the northern part of the province of Quebec.

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
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L LIB

Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I asked a moment ago if the hon. minister could remedy the situation which existed last winter owing to our cars not being returned promptly from the United States. The exporters of Canada were really in a very difficult position on account of the shortage of cars. The United States keep our cars, and I do not know whether it is that the demurrage is not high enough, but they do not seem to care about returning them promptly. Is there not an arrangement between the interstate commerce commission and the railway commission by which such a state of things can be remedied?

Topic:   RAILWAY EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS.
Subtopic:   ACQUIREMENT BY MINISTER OF RAILWAYS FOR CANADA DURING THE PRESENT WAR.
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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

I may say to the hon. member that it is an impossibility to do more than we have been doing, during the last winter. The board of railway commissioners, and the several railway companies have been doing everything possible to remedy the situation. They have had special men in the United States looking up the cars. We have had our representative Mr. Lloyd Harris, doing his utmost with the American Government, I have personally sent message after message to Mr. McAdoo, urging him to assist _us in getting what we claim to be our just rights. So that the influence of this Government, of the railways and of the railway commission, has been exerted to the utmost to remedy the situation. As a result, as I said before, we have lately been able to reduce the number of cars held in the United States from twenty-five thousand to eleven thousand.

Resolution reported, read the first and second time, and concurred in.

Hon. J. D. REID thereupon moved for leave to introduce Bill No. 42, to amend the Department of Railways and Canals Act.

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Motion agreed to, and Bill read the firsttime. .


SUPPLY.


The House in Committee of Supply, Mr. Boivin in the Chair. Civil Government-Department of Militia and Defence-salaries, $212,500. Major General MiEWBURN: The amount of these estimates for the Department of Militia and Defence is so insignificant compared with the amount that we have just been discussing-$50,000,000-that it will not require very much explanation. It is my intention when, at -a very early date, the war estimates are brought before the House, to give a detailed statement of the war policy of the Government, including such information regarding our troops in France, England, and Canada as it is advisable to give from a public standpoint. I do not purpose, therefore, to make a full statement to-night in connection with these estimates, but I shall take advantage of the opportunity of doing so when the war estimates are brought down by the Prime Minister.


UNION
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Major General MEWBURN:

The Prime Minister told me yesterday that he hoped to bring down the war estimates to-morrowr, if that would suit the convenience of the House.

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L LIB

Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DEVLIN:

When may we expect the fourth volume of the Auditor General's Report, containing details of the war expenditure?

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Major General MEWBURN:

I thought it had been laid on the Table.

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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

May I suggest to the Minister of Militia, whom I am glad to see in the House this session for the first time, that he follow the practice that has been followed for the last few years of presenting to the House a detailed statement of the expenditure of money voted for war purposes? During two or three previous sessions-in fact, ever since the wyar began -a special publication has been issued and distributed among the members giving in detail the expenditure of the war appropriation. Without that information it is impossible to discuss intelligently either the expenditure that has been made or the appropriation of $500,000,000 that is asked for

this session. I therefore urge upon my hon. friend the necessity of submitting that information to the committee as soon as possible.

Major-General MEWBURN: The report of the Militia Council is in press now, but the purchases of the Militia Department were made through the war purchasing commission, whose xeport is soon to be laid on the Talble. I fancy that is what the hon. gentleman refers to.

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L LIB

Charles Murphy

Laurier Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

No, not altogether. It is necessary to find what expenditure is made under war appropriation, for instance, whether the cost of certain commissions, of certain boards, of certain offices that have been established, relate to the war appropriation. My reason for pressing this request to-night is that upon searching through the Auditor General's report for information regarding this expenditure-information which would ordinarily be found in that report-I discovered that it was not there. It is impossible, therefore, to ascertain the character of the expenditure under this war appropriation unless this information be given. I have not in mind particular contracts or purchases made through the war purchasing commission, but other expenditures, information regarding which apparently is not available in any other quarter to which I and some of my friends on this side of the House have had access.

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L LIB

Emmanuel Berchmans Devlin

Laurier Liberal

Mr. DEVLIN:

I would call the minister's attention to the fact that the only details ,we have as to war expenditure are to be found in the public accounts under war accounts. The details of the war expenditure by the Militia Department are given from 1st April, 1916, to 31st March, 1917. Further than that, we have absolutely no details as to the war expenditures and no way of finding them out, so that we are hardly in a position to vote any estimates until we have fuller information.

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April 9, 1918