April 2, 1918

UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I would remind my hon. friend from Brome that this is not simply a Toronto Exhibition, but a national exhibition, to which people come from not only all parts of Ontario, but from all over Canada. When we take into consideration that very nearly 39,000 fish dinners were served by our restaurant on the exhibition grounds last year, and if, as my hon. friend from Cartier suggests, this is going to add to the brain power of the people of Ontario., I think the House, appreciating as it does the value of advertising, ought to feel justified in voting this small item.

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Samuel William Jacobs

Laurier Liberal

Mr. JACOBS:

We have voted the amount so often without results in added brain power that I think it should be cut out.

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John James Kinley

Mr. McKINLEY:

Or the vote made very much larger.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

My hon. friends must appreciate the advertising value of this exhibit, when they remember that the Canadian Exhibition at Toronto is visited by nearly one million people every year. Surely hon. gentlemen do not wish to

retard the fishing industry of Canada by objecting to this small sum.

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James Alexander Robb

Laurier Liberal

Mr. ROBB:

I must say that earlier in the evening I told the Government Whip there would be no vote to-night. Perhaps the Government would consent to adjourn and leave this item over.

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. REID:

If there is any objection to this item we could let it stand and take up some other item; it is only for a small amount anyway.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

It is not simply a question of S5,000, but it is a question of spending 55,000 for something that is not absolutely necessary, and then spending 53,000 on some other work that is not absolutely necessary. It is here a little and there a little, and it comeis to a considerable sum in the aggregate. We are merely asking the Government to show the sincerity I am sure they possess in their desire that the people of this country should economize.

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UNION

John Dowsley Reid (Minister of Railways and Canals)

Unionist

Mr. J. D. REID:

The Toronto Exhibition is a very large one, I suppose the largest in Canada. It has been customary to have an exhibit there. The item has been cut down this year to $5,000. People come from one end of the Dominion to the other to attend this exhibition. It is quite evident that the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, after taking the matter up with the officials, has come to the conclusion that, rather than do away with the item altogether, it would be better to spend a small amount. However, if there is any objection to it, there is no reason why the item should not stand.

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Georges Henri Boivin (Deputy Speaker and Chair of Committees of the Whole of the House of Commons)

Laurier Liberal

The CHAIRMAN:

I beg to say that the motion of the hon. member for Missisquoi is not in order, because he moved to reject the resolution in its entirety. The only way to do that would be to vote against it. The resolution will stand for further discussion, and members of the Opposition have a perfect right to vote against the resolution when it is again brought before the Committee. Any motion to have it struck out is unnecessary.

Item stands.

Salaries and maintenance of fish breeding establishments, $300,000.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I wish to draw to the attention of the Committee, and of the hon. member for Brome (Mr. McMaster) that the Government have cut this item down $100,000, which is in keeping with his wishes.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

Yes, but I hope the good impression made by the Minister of Marine and Fisheries will not be removed in a moment by a statement that he will place another fifty or seventy-five thousand dollars in some supplementary estimate. He raised our hopes very high. He pointed out $101,000 of a decrease 'in item 227, and when we were prepared to congratulate him he said that in the supplementary estimates some further amounts would be brought down.

To provide for the inspection of pickled fish, $15,000.

Mr. MoKENZIE: Now that explanation

about those inspectors will coune in.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

Do you want to

know the names of the inspectors?

Mr. MicKENZIE: I want to know what

they are doing, their justification for living.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I think the hon.

gentleman is aware that these inspectors are called upon to inspect pickled fish there, and while it is voluntary we have given some consideration to the possibility of making it compulsory later on by introducing legislation, probably next session. In the meantime, I might state that those inspectors inspected last year in all 8,977 barrels of herring and mackerel. Of these 3,083 failed to pass the inspection.

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William Duff

Laurier Liberal

Mt. DUFF:

In my county alone there

must have been 20,000 barrels of pickled fish caught and handled, and I do not think the inspector ever .saw 100 barrels of fish. I think in the interests of economy the money spent in my county, at least, could be very well saved, and the inspector's services dispensed with.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

I am not very much

of a fisherman, nor am I very much interested in fish, except that I represent a large number of fishermen. It has been dinned into my ears continuously that we have an inspector residing in the city of Sydney receiving a very considerable salary and he is not doing anything. I should like to know if in the four counties, Inverness, Richmond, Victoria and Gape Breton, there has been any inspection which would justify the existence of an officer of this kind, at a high salary. If he is earning .the salary, I have no objection, but if he is sitting in his house or attending to his other business and receiving public money that he does not earn, I would certainly object.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I am advised by the superintendent of fisheries that the salary of the inspector at Sydney is $1,200 a year; and that he has made very many inspections there. I am sorry I cannot tell the hon. gentleman the exact number to-night, but I will be very glad to furnish the information to-morrow.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

The furnishing to me of the information does not concern us very much, but I want the minister to inquire if this man is earning his money.

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UNION

Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

I will be very glad to do that.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

He does not need the salary, because he is a well-off man, and a big merchant.

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April 2, 1918