April 2, 1918

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The House in Committee of Supply, Mr. Boivin in the Chair. Fisheries-salaries and disbursements of Fishery Officers and Guardians, including the expense of the Advisory Board and an allowance of $200 to W. J. F- Casey, Secretary thereof, Fisheries Patrol Service and Oyster Culture, $400,000.


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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Hon. C. C. BALLANTYNE (Minister of Marine and Fisheries):

I beg to move,

seconded .by Mr. Reid, that the words "and an allowance of 1200 to W. J. E. Casey, secretary thereof," be struck out. I would like to drop this provision because Mr. Casey has 'been otherwise provided for. The officers of the department who are members of the advisory board receive no remuneration, but when Mr. Casey was made secretary he was in the third division, and as his salary could not go beyond $1,200 per year, it was considered that he should have extra pay. He has since taken the examination for the second division and. will be promoted this year to subdivision A of the second division at $1,600. He is now receiving this amount with the allowance as secretary of the advisory board.

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

Nova Scotia: H. B. Short, Digiby; W. C. Smith, Lunenburg; A. King, Halifax; G. A. Hemen, Arnold. New Brunswick: A. B. Carson, Rexton; F. T. B. Young, Caraquet; John Jackson, St. John, Prince Edward Island: C. H. B. Logworth, Charlottetown. Quebec: A.

Arseneau, Magdalen Islands. British Columbia: F. H. Cunningham, New West-

minster; O. H. Nelson, Prince Rupert. I am thinking of doing away with this advisory board. I think we can get along without it, ibut that has not been definitely settled upon as yet.

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

The expenses for

1916-17 were $815 and the allowance amounted to $620, making a grand: total of $1,435.02.

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Daniel Duncan McKenzie

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McKENZIE:

The minister has appointed! quite a number of inspectors; or perhaps they were appointed before the minister took charge of the department. I understand their duties to be

10 p.m. connected with the inspection of salted and pickled herring. I would like to know how many there are of such officers, and if he has any reports from them, or what services they are rendering. Are they of any particular advantage to the fishing industry of this country? Reports have come to ime from time to time that in the part of the country from which I come there are a great many of these officers drawing big salaries and doing nothing.

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Mr. D@

How many inspectors have you?

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Air. BALLANTYNE:

I will give you that information in a moment.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Air. LEMIEUX:

Can the minister tell me what portion of the vote of $400,000 is applied to the fisheries patrol service?

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Air. BALLANTYNE:

The appropriation for that service is $190,000 and the expenditure to February 28, $187,073.72. We have 134 overseers, 800 guardians and 28 inspectors.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

Some years ago oyster culture was carried on in the waters of Prince Edward Island. I am sorry to say that the succulent Malpeque is fast disappearing, and the same fate appears to be overtaking the oysters at Miscou, New Brunswick. I think it would be in the interest of consumers if the department would, under the diligent and energetic direction of my hon. friend (Mr. Ballan-tyne) look carefully after this food. The Malpeque oyster is, as the minister knows, a very excellent food, and commands the respect of aJll the connoisseurs in North America. It is really a pity to see the excellent Malpeque oyster disappearing so rapidly. I remember that some years ago an effort was made by the department to promote oyster culture, but I do not know what progress has been made.

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

The private oyster beds have been taken over by the several provincial governments, therefore, oyster culture is now in the hands of the provincial authorities.

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Arthur Bliss Copp

Laurier Liberal

Air. COPP:

I want to ask a question or two of the minister, and at the same time to congratulate him upon the resolution he has made in regard to the carrying on of the business of the department. I have had occasion during the last two or three years to draw the attention of the Minister of Marine and Fisheries, whilst the estimates were under discussion, to a situation which prevailed in the province from which I come in regard to the inspectors, fishery overseers and wardens, and I have never yet been able to get an absolute answer as regards these different classes of officers. Now, there is a multiplicity of officers along all the sea coasts of Canada who pretend to look after the fishing rights and interests in their respective localities. I find on pages R 46 and 47 of the Auditor General's Report for the year ending 31st of March, 1917, reference made to the fishery overseers and inspectors in the province of New Brunswick. Did I understand the minister to say that the term of office of the overseers and wardens expired on the 31st of March last?

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

No, what I said was that the term of office of the wardens, who are also known as guardians, did expire on the 31st of March, hut not so with the overseers or the fishery inspectors, who are permanent.

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Arthur Bliss Copp

Laurier Liberal

Mr. COPP:

I have noticed that there are inspectors, overseers and wardens, and also special guardians. In the province of New Brunswick, I notice, the special guardians during the year ending 31st of Alarch, 1917, cost $33,933.85- Am I to understand that these officers have been abolished, and that there are no special guardians in existence to-day ?

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Charles Colquhoun Ballantyne (Minister of Marine and Fisheries; Minister of the Naval Service)

Unionist

Mr. BALLANTYNE:

Yes.

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April 2, 1918