April 2, 1918

UNION

Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It is the practice of the department and has been since 1908, to have a cruise of the area made by an inspector, and an upset price is fixed, based on his report.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes, and sixty days' advertising in every case-a minimum of sixty days in one newspaper of local circulation, and in one newspaper of at least provincial circulation. All timber berths are sold by public auction, so that every possible chance to exploit the department, I think, is eliminated. .

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Samuel Hughes

Unionist

Sir SAM HUGHES:

Does the minister state that it was the practice to have these limits cruised?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

1908.

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Samuel Hughes

Unionist

Sir SAM HUGHES:

Will the hon. minister explain the system of opening tenders in the department? In ancient days we have heard that there was a possibility of tenders not being properly looked after in the department.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

The system is to have no tenders. The sale is by public auction; consequently there are no tenders to open.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

At the office of the crown timber agent for the district.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Do I understand that when the limit is put up the bidders pay in cash so much per mile, which is called a bonus?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

So much for the entire berth. That is the bonus. Then, in addition to that, the bidder has to pay so much per thousand feet.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

He pays five dollars per square mile in addition to that. There are other elements in the payment. There is the stumpage of fifty cents per thousand which he pays, then five dollars per square mile, and then the bonus.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

The five dollars is for the license, and he pays the stumpage as he cuts?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

And an auction sale is held to ascertain what bonus is to be paid besides. The man paying the highest bonus gets the limit.

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Frederick John Fulton

Unionist

Mr. FULTON:

It appears to me that in many cases it may ,be a very great hardship to have to pay a bonus in a lump sum, especially in a case where, as often happens, timber being much more inaccessible now than in previous years, it is necessary, either to put in a railway or build flumes in order to get the logs out. This entails considerable expenditure of capital, and it might very well be that the bonus should extend over a number of years, instead of being paid1 in a lump sum. To my mind the license fee is too small, and it has given rise to this practice, in many cases, even after the timber berth has been logged off, the company holding it continues to hold it, and pays a small annual rental, which does not amount to anything, but the berth is a great asset to the company in making a statement on paper to the shareholders or the bank. They may have a good many square miles of holdings, but a large proportion of them may have been logged off, and yet on paper they have still very large holdings. In this way they are in a position to .show these berths as an asset in their statement to the shareholders.

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April 2, 1918