April 2, 1918

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

This section is the same as the old Act except that the power is placed in the hands of the minister, instead of in the Governor in Council. My hon. friend will agree that any man wlic has had the training of a Solicitor Genera! can he trusted with that.

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Section agreed to. On section 13-sale or lease of lands unsuitable for cultivation:


UNION

Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

This section is important in this sense: it gives the department the same power to deal with lands that should be reclaimed by drainage that it now has with regard to lands that should be reclaimed by irrigation. Section 34, if this amendment is agreed to, will read:

Lands unsuitable for cultivation without the aid of irrigation or drainage, or lands required in connection with any system of irrigation or drainage may be sold or leased in such manner and under such terms and conditions as are fixed by the Governor in Council subject to the provisions of the Irrigation Act.

In November, 1916, conferences were held between representatives of the Governments of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, and representatives of the Irrigation Branch of the Interior Department, at which arrangements were arrived at drawing the line of responsibility with regard to irrigation and drainage as between the provinces and the Dominion. These arrangements were afterwards implemented by legislation in Saskatchewan and Alberta, and I think also in Manitoba, hut at all events, in the other two provinces. A scheme was also devised at the conference whereby the provinces might enter upon irrigation and drainage enterprises affecting Dominion lands, and the responsibility of the Dominion with regard to those enterprises was defined. Therefore, it is now the part of wisdom to place the drainage lands of the Crown in the same position as the irrigation lands, so we can deal with them as we are now able to deal with the irrigated lands.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

Has there ever been any arrangement between the provinces and the Dominion with regard to what are known as the marsh lands, or has there ever been any transfer of these lands?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

My hon. friend refers to the swamp lands?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Those lands have been transferred from the province of Manitoba to the Crown; there were none in the other provinces.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

It would be to lands of that sort this Act would apply in the other provinces?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes; such of those

swamp lands as are unsuitable for cultivation without the aid of drainage. Portions of those lands may not need drainage at all, even though described as swamp lands.

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Section agreed to. On section 14-Regulations to control disposal of timber and pulpwood berths: Mr- LEMIEUX: These lands are disposed of by public tender?


UNION

Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes. The object of this section is to enable the Governor in Council to extend the area in the case of pulpwood leases. Of course, a pulpmill will not be established on the basis of an area that is insufficient for its requirements for any reasonable length of time.

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Jacques Bureau

Laurier Liberal

Mr. BUREAU:

The object is to increase the area in the case of pulpwood?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

I am not familiar with the original law, but paragraph (c) of this Bill says: "no offer by tender shall be accepted unless accompanied by the full amount of the bonus." I suppose bonus and bid mean the same?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

Yes, in -a sense. Tenderers have to agree to pay the license fee, Which is fixed. Then in addition to that they give a bonus, which really means a bid.

Mr. MoMIASTER: It does not mean they will have to accompany their bid with the full purchase price?

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

With the full purchase price except the license fee, which is based on the amount of timber cut.

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Andrew Ross McMaster

Laurier Liberal

Mr. McMASTER:

Might I suggest that

that might operate against the poorer tenderers, and perhaps result in the department's not getting as high a price as might otherwise be obtained.

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Arthur Meighen (Minister of the Interior; Superintendent-General of Indian Affairs)

Unionist

Mr. MEIGHEN:

It has always been the

practice to collect the purchase price of the berth before the timber is cut. I think it would be rather the part of folly to wait until the timber was partially or wholly cut before collecting the purchase price of the berth. As soon as a man goes into one of these berths he immediately commences ito deplete the supply, and we collect as he proceeds to cut, the license being in proportion to the amount taken off.

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Rodolphe Lemieux

Laurier Liberal

Mr. LEMIEUX:

I't has occurred to me that in the far Western Provinces through ladk of sufficient 'advertising and on account of the long distances, there might be a very limited number of tenderers, and as a result the pulpwood limits, which are very valuable to-day, might be sold for a song. What is tlhe policy of the department with regard to 'these sales? Is an outside price fixed after a preliminary cruise of the limits? I understand that in Quebec and Ontario the outside price is generally based on the report of the cruiser.

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April 2, 1918