September 18, 1917

LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. J. J. HUGHES:

And they are taking it; as a matter of fact it is the only place to which we can ship our potatoes at this time. The farmers of Prince Edward Island will get a very low price for their potato crop this year, no matter what the Government may do, and an addition of five or six cents a bushel to the price that they would otherwise get would be of immense benefit

to them. A few days ago I happened to be in Boston and, talking to some potato buyers there, I noticed that in figuring up the price that they could pay for potatoes, they invariably deducted the duty. I do not see any reason why the Government should refuse'to grant the concession asked for on behalf of the farmers of the Maritime provinces. In the month of April last the Government by their provision for free wheat, gave the farmers of the West access to the United States market for that staple product. Every body admits that that was a great advantage to the western farmer; it was asked for by representative men from western Canada, grain growers and other bodies, as well as members of Parliament representing that part of the country. The right to send wheat and wheat products into the United States free of duty must be of great advantage to the people of this country, otherwise these strong representations would not have been made in favour of (government action. Why, then, does the Government hesitate to act now? I trust that the Government will not hesitate further; I do not think that on principle they can reasonably do so. They should not hesitate to relieve the farmers of eastern Canada and the maritime provinces of the payment into the United States treasury of at least 5400,000. I am satisfied that the removal of. the duty upon potatoes entering the United States this year would mean $150,000 to the farmers of Prince Edward Island.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS:

Does my hon. friend contend that the maritime province farmer pays the duty imposed by the United States if he sends his potatoes into that country?

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. J. J. HUGHES:

I certainly do, under present conditions. The member for Carleton stated most emphatically that the difference between the price of potatoes in New Brunswick and the price of potatoes in Maine, across the boundary line, is simply the amount of the duty.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I am a potato grower

myself, and I keep in close touch with matters of this kind. I say most emphatically that there never was a time during the last two or three years-during the last five years, for that matter-when potatoes in the State of Maine, ten miles from my home, were not worth more than potatoes in my country just to the extent of the duty. Even when potatoes were worth $7 a barrel in my town, they were worth $7.70 to $8 a barrel ten miles away in the State of Maine. No matter whether the price is

high or low, the difference between the price in the State of Maine and the price in the county of Carleton is simply the amount of the duty.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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CON

William Wright

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. WRIGHT:

Is it not a fact that my hon. friend and others on his side of the House have constantly argued that when products are imported from the State of Maine into Montreal and other parts of Quebec, the consumer invariably pays the duty, and that if they go the other way the exporter pays the duty? Hon. gentlemen are advancing a double-barrelled argument.

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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I have not the right to

argue the matter now, but I have stated upon a pretty good business knowledge of the facts what the condition is as it exists to-day in regard to the marketing of our own potato crop.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. J. J. HUGHES:

The hon. member for Carleton has answered tne question proposed by the hon. member for Frontenac (Mr. Edwards) and the question proposed by the hon. member for Muskoka (Mr. Wright). I stated in the early part of my remarks-I think the hon. member for Frontenac was not paying attention-that, under the conditions we had last year when potatoes were a necessity in the United States, when the crop there was exceedingly small as compared with the crop in Canada, when they had to get potatoes almost at any price, they paid the duty; but under present conditions, when they are under no necessity whatever of importing our potatoes and when we are under the necessity of sending our potatoes into the United States if we are to sell them at all, I believe we take the price less the duty; that is, we pay the duty.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS:

That is, when they have more potatoes of their own than they want

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

More than they want, but not more than they can use.

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CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS:

That is what your argument comes to.

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

That is a matter that my hon. friends can convert into an academic question if they want to do so, but at the present time we are up against a condition arid not a theory. The United States is the only country in the world in which we can dispose of our surplus product this year. My hon. friend from Frontenac stated a few moments ago that w'e should not expect a market in the United States for potatoes for the reason that the nineteen northern

States constitute a large potato growing area which is very similar in climatic and soil conditions to the Maritime Provinces-I think that was his argument. Straitway however, he claimed that we could get a market in Ontario whose climatic and other conditions are surely more like those of the Maritime Provinces than are those of the United States. There is a good deal of similarity between the northern States and Canada in regard to soil and climatic conditions, but the rorthern States of the United States find a market for their surplus product in those southern States that do not produce sufficient potatoes for their own use. The need thus created by the sending of potatoes from the northern States to the South leaves a market for our potatoes in the northern States.

Reference was made by the hon. member for Carleton to the embargo placed by the United States upon our potatoes in 1913 when the Government of that country thought our potatoes were diseased.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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CON

John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS:

Does the hon. member really think they thought that?

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

I do.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I do not. I know personally the men who put up the whole game.

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

I hold the Americans w_re justified in so thinking because our Government so informed them. That was more than a mistake on the part of our Government-it was a crime.

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CON

Martin Burrell (Minister of Agriculture)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BURRELL:

My hon. friend is making rather strong statements which I am afraid he cannot substantiate.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

But I can substantiate

them. In the autumn of 1913, when this matter was being considered at Washington, an officer of the Department of Agriculture attended the conference there and stated that our potatoes had the disease known as powdery scab. The inference, therefore, was that those potatoes should be excluded from the American market, and the Americans took us at our word. The Department of Agriculture sent men called professors to Prince Edward Island. I do not know whether they went to the other Maritime Provinces.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

They did go-right into

the cellars.

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LIB

James Joseph Hughes

Liberal

Mr. HUGHES:

Those professors claimed they found a disease there. Events, how-

ev r, have proved that there was no disease. When .those gentlemen who knew the Latin names of plants-and that I am afraid is all they did know-came amongst ns and told uis that our potatoes were greatly infected with powdery scab, we, in our innocence, thought they were telling us facts.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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John Wesley Edwards

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. EDWARDS:

My horn, friend has

stated that in the fall of 1913, the Department of Agriculture of the Dominion of Canada sent >a man down to Washington, and that at a conference there he told the authorities that our potatoes had the disease known as powdery scab. Will Ihe give us the name of the official .so that we can trace the matter up? I doubt the accuracy of his -statement very much.

Topic:   STATEMENT SHOWING THE IMPORTS AND EXPORTS OF POTATOES, BY COUNTRIES, DURING THE FISCAL YEAR ENDED 31 MARCH, 1917, AND ALSO DURING THE FIVE MONTHS ENDED 31 AUGUST, 1917.
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September 18, 1917