September 18, 1917

HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIALS.

OFFICIAL, DEBATES BRANCH.

CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN moved:

That the recommendation of His Honour the Speaker, laid on the table of the House on the 12th instant, to abolish the office of secretary of the Hansard section of the Reporting- Branch of the House and to appoint an official shorthand reporter to that section in grade B of the first division, under the provisions of the Civil Service Act, be concurred in.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

Is that the recommendation of the Debates Committee of the House?

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

This is entirely under the Civil Service Act.

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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

I understand the Committee on Debates agrees to that?

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Motion agreed to. . PRINTING OF PARLIAMENT.


REPORTS OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE OF BOTH HOUSES DISCUSSED.


Mr. J, A. CURRIE (North Simcoe) n-cved: That the third report of the joint committee of both Houses on the printing of Parliament be concurred in.


CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

I wish to direct attention to that portion of the report of the committee which is printed at page 1064 of the Votes and Proceedings:

3. That the recommendations contained in the second report of the special committee appointed to consider, inquire into and report upon the reception, treatment, care, training and re-education of the wounded, disabled and convalescent returned soldiers of the Canadian Expeditionary Forces, presented to the House of Commons on Tuesday, July 17, he not concurred in.

Obviously such a report is ultra vires of the Printing Committee. The matter was not referred to that committee, and if it were, the committee would not have powe'-to make such a recommendation. The recommendation contained in subclause 4-of 239 would appear to be open to similar objection.

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LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Mr. MURPHY:

I drew the attention

oi the hon. member for Simcoe (Mr. Currie) t( this matter last week, and! I understood a correction was to he made.

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CURRIE:

Apparently, in the preparation of this report for the committee, the secretary did not make the matter sufficiently clear. The words " for additional printing " should he inserted after the word " recommendation." The House will understand that the reports of this Returned Soldiers Committee were published from day to day. That committee made this recommendation which was referred by the House to the committee on printing:

Your Committee also recommends that the Preliminary, and this Report and the Minutes of Proceedings and evidence submitted herewith, together with a suitable index to be prepared by the Clerk of the Committee, be printed in both languages in blue-book form for distribu-

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CuMMONS


tion, and as an Appendix to the Journals of the House. Wihat the committee on printing had to pass upon was whether it was advisable for the report to be published in blue-book form and reprinted) in French, and also added as an appendix to the Journals of the House. To do that would cost the country about §40,000, and as the report has abeady been printed and every one interested can get a copy, the committee did not see that there was any necessity to add to the expense by issuing the evidence in blue-tbook form and adding another foot or iwo to the Journals. For that reason the committee deemed it advisable not to concur in the recommendation that was referred to it. We alone have the right to say what shall go into the Journals of the House, for instance, and the committee, after due consideration, decided that sufficient printing had been done to meet the necessities cf the case. I would ask for leave to amend the report by inserting after the word " recommendation", at page 1064, the words: " for additional printing."


CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Would the hon. gentleman also explain the fourth paragraph? _ *

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CURRIE:

That refers to a report

presented to the Senate on the inspection of food. It dealt largely with the manufacture of whole wheat bread. Sir James Eougheed considered it advisable to have pamphlets dealing with the manufacture of whole wheat bread printed, and we concurred in that for five hundred copies, at a probable cost of about $150.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

That would require the same amendment as to additional printing.

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CON

John Allister Currie

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. CURRIE:

Yes, that should be there also, and I would ask permission to insert the same words in clause 4.

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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

Perhaps the rerolution might pass with the proviso that the report would be considered as amended by the insertion of the words "as to additional printing" in subsections 3 and 4 of section 239. It would appear from the statement of the hon. gentleman that, in both these matters, there was a recommendation in regard to printing, which was referred to the Printing Committee.

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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

To have such a motion in order, it would have to be regarded as a clerical error.

Sir WILFRID _ LAURIER: The whole

matter dealt with in the report is very

much involved, and my attention was only drawn to it yesterday. It is a very important question, and I suggest that it be deferred until to-morrow.

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September 18, 1917