September 17, 1917

CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

Not any. . It is a different association altogether.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Has the situation

of the men who are veterans in the present war been considered, with relation to this association? It would seem to me, with all deference to the character of the men mentioned as incorporators-and one can take no exception to them-that if it were a Dominion-wide organization it would be better to have such an organization, which will have the impress of Parliament upon it, more widely representative of the different provinces of the Dominion. The effect of this legislation is to create an incorporated body of army and navy veterans in Canada, with the incorporators residing wholly in Winnipeg. 'The Association is Dominion-wide in its character. We should have people from all the provinces connected with it. No one can take exception to the general purport of the measure. I can foresee a difficulty which might arise from some of the men definitely connected with the present war, who might say: "We want incorporation." Although it would not necessarily conflict with other associations, yet this would put the Parliamentary impress upon a 'body purely local in its character.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

It is the purpose to

have organizations all over the country, and they have many of them now. They have branches in Ottawa and Toronto, and in every town in the North West. It is the olu organization, and all they are asking is for Dominion authority. They have been doing very useful work.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

I am not taking exception to that. My hon. friend misapprehends my point. Organizations have been formed in different places throughout Canada by men who have served in the army and navy during the present war. The names of these bodies are pretty much the same as the name of this proposed organization. Has this measure been approved by the men who are veterans of the present war and amongst whom organizations have been formed in the eastern provinces?

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

I do not think that that matter was considered at all. This is an old association; it has been in operation ever since the Northwest Rebellion.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

What is the object of their getting incorporation now?

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

Because they are

spread out all over the Dominion. They have been doing splendid work; they have recruited about five battalions in the Northwest through their own efforts. Thi= incorporation is not intended to clash in any way with any of the other institutions to which my hon. friend refers.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

My hon. friend may say that it is not intended to clash, but it will clash. The men who have lately returned from the war may feel that their needs and interests and aspirations would be better served by an organization connected more particularly with their own achievements. They may feel that they have ground for complaint if we commit to a local organization in Manitoba the title "The Army and Navy Veterans in Canada." If, for instance, the army and navy veterans of Ontario want incorporation, they will not be able to get it under the title of "The Army and Navy Veterans in Canada" because Parliament will have committed that title to this Manitoba organization. If they desired to obtain the rights and privileges of such incorporation, they would have to join the Manitoba association, made up of men who are veterans of other wars. After the closing oif the House we shall go back to our constituencies, and we shall find there organizations of men who have returned from the front. They may say: why did you incorporate these gentlemen in Manitoba under the title "The Army arid Navy Veterans in Canada?" We want to have an army and navy organization of men who have fought in the present war.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

There is an army and navy organization of the Empire in Toronto; there are various army and navy organizations. We are asking for the name "The Army and Navy Veterans in Canada." By this name the organization will be distinguished from other organizations already existing.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

"In Canada" would include veterans of any war.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

These men are really the pioneers in this line; they have done excellent work; they have spent a large

amount of their own money with ia view to promoting the interests of the Empire. There is not likely to he any clash between this organization and any other similar body. They do not intend to do the work which is the object of the organization formed in Ottawa-that of looking after the rights and interests of returned soldiers. They are, however, forming clubs and libraries all over Canada for war veterans; that is the purpose of the Bill.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

Are most of these incorporators residents of Manitoba?

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

I think they are.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

There seems to he some merit in the view of the member for Pdctou that an organization which is assumed to be Dominion-wide-

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

This is only the parent organization. They have other organizations all over the Dominion.

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LIB

Frank Oliver

Liberal

Mr. OLIVER:

If they had in the list

of incorporators representatives of these organizations in other parts of the Dominion, then what my hon. friend contends would be quite clear. But it dloes look as if the Manitoba organization were attempting to forestall other organizations in the use of this somewhat desirable name.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

For years they have

had that name as a provincial organization.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

On behalf of the

veterans of the present war who aTe scattered all over Canada, I object to this worthy organization in Manitoba, made up of Fenian Raid and Northwest Rebellion veterans, appropriating the corporate title of " The Army and Navy Veterans in Canada." The hoys who come home from the present war are primarily entitled to that corporate title, and) I object to its being appropriated by this other organization.

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CON

George Henry Bradbury

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. BRADBURY:

Hundreds of men who have returned from the war 'belong to this association in Manitoba.

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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Every province has

its army and navy veterans who do not belong to this association.

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September 17, 1917