September 17, 1917

THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.

RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.


On the Orders of thg Day:


CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

On Saturday the hon. member for St. John (Mr. Pugsley) raised >a point of order that the Order of the House of the 22nd of June made upon the motion of the right hon. the Prime Minister (Sir Robert Borden):

Statement of Casualties of the Canadian Expeditionary Force Reported to Militia Headquarters During the Period From August 16 to 31, 1617, inclusive.

Other

Officers. Ranks. Totals.

Killed in action

70 837 907Died of wounds 12 301 313Wounded 288 5,895 6,183Prisoners of war

3 8 11

Died whilst prisoners of

war

2 2Missing

24 121 145Died of disease

4 21 25461 7,185 7,586

Topic:   THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.
Subtopic:   RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
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On the Orders of the Day:


LIB

Charles Murphy

Liberal

Hon. CHARLES MURPHY:

Mr. Speaker, for t)he purpose of asking a question, may I direct the attention of the right hon. the Jeader of the Government (Sir Robert Borden) to a cable despatch which appeared in all papers on Thursday last, the 13th mst., and which is as follows:

Adelaide, South Australia, Sept. 13-The Director General of Recruiting states that arrangements have been made to send 50,000 of the original Australians home for the holidays, irrespective of whether similar reinforcements are sent. The Director General believes that the.visit of these gallant men will give a great stimulus to recruiting.

I would like to ask my right hon. friend it he has any information in regard to the subject of this cablegram; if so will he communicate it to the House, and whether any such steps as that which is alleged to have been taken by the Australian Government is contemplated by this Government with reference to the Canadian troops?

Topic:   THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.
Subtopic:   RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Sub-subtopic:   HOLIDAY FOR OVERSEAS FORCES.
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CON

Robert Laird Borden (Prime Minister; Secretary of State for External Affairs; President of the Privy Council)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir ROBERT BORDEN:

We have no official confirmation of the particulars of this despatch. I shall make inquiry by cable and ascertain whether there is any foundation for it.

Topic:   THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.
Subtopic:   RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Sub-subtopic:   HOLIDAY FOR OVERSEAS FORCES.
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On the Orders of the Day:


LIB

Charles Arthur Gauvreau

Liberal

Mr. GAUVREAU:

According to news received from my riding, the judge is under the impression that the person to be chosen for appointment to the local tribunal must have-residence in the place selected for the tribunal. Is that the law, or can he be chosen from another place than his place of residence?

Topic:   THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.
Subtopic:   RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Sub-subtopic:   EXEMPTION TRIBUNALS.
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CON

Charles Joseph Doherty (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. DOHERTY:

The law makes no j)ro-viision requiring that a man should he taken from the locality. It is a matter for the judge in making the appointment to appreciate the qualifications of the man. If I were asked for a personal opinion, I should say that, generally speaking, a thoroughly competent local man might present advantages that another would not.

Topic:   THE PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE.
Subtopic:   RULING BY MR. SPEAKER ON APPLICATION OF RULE 17C WITH RESPECT TO COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Sub-subtopic:   EXEMPTION TRIBUNALS.
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CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.

REGULATIONS AS TO OFFICERS ON LEAVE IN CANADA.


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP (Minister of Militia):

The hon. member for Pictou (Mr. Macdonald), on Saturday, inquired whether

any new order had been made regarding officers who had returned from overseas and who wished to return to civil life. The only militia order that could possibly have any bearing on that question was issued on June 2G, 1917. A circular letter has also been sent out, hearing date 29th August, 1917.

Topic:   CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   REGULATIONS AS TO OFFICERS ON LEAVE IN CANADA.
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LIB

Edward Mortimer Macdonald

Liberal

Mr. MACDONALD:

Perhaps the minister would read the circular letter.

Topic:   CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   REGULATIONS AS TO OFFICERS ON LEAVE IN CANADA.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

It reads:

Department of Militia and Defence. Circular Letter.

Ottawa, 29th August, 1917.

(H.Q. 54-21-50-44.) From-The Adjutant General, Canadian Militia.

To-All Officers Commanding Districts. Retention of officers in Canada on leave.

Sir,-I have the honour, by direction, to inform you that the following cable has been received from the C.O.M.F. authorities overseas :-

"Do 1266-August 15th-Owing to number of officers now available here considered officers now on'leave in Canada number approximately 250 should he given opportunity of being retained for duty there or to resume civil occupation if they so desire.. Not desirable in my opinion officers on leave on medical grounds should be returned unless fit for general service expiration of leave. Requested names of officers retained should be cabled this headquarters."

2. In view of this cable it is requested that you will please furnish Militia Headquarters, as soon as possible, the names of all those officers, C.E.F., at present in Canada on leave from overseas, and who are still on the strength of the C O.M.F., who wish to return overseas, and those who wish to remain in Canada.

3. With regard to those who remain in Canada, it should be explained to them that, if possible, they will be given further employment but if you have no employment available for them they will be struck off the strength of the C.E.F., and, 'if eligible, transferred to the strength of the C.E.F. Reserve from the date on which their leave expires.

4. It is requested that in ascertaining the opinions of the officers in the District under your command that the purport of the cable received from England, and the whole matter should be made clear to them.

I have the honour to he, Sir,

Your obedient servant,

(Sgd.) W. E. Hodgins, Major General,

Acting Adjutant General.

- PRIVATE BILLS.

Topic:   CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   REGULATIONS AS TO OFFICERS ON LEAVE IN CANADA.
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GORDON DIVORCE BILL NOT REPORTED FROM COMMITTEE.


Resuming the debate on the proposed motion of Mr. Edwards, " That Mr. Speaker do now leave the Chair for the House to go into Committee of the Whole on Bill No. 126, intituled: "An Act for the relief of Albert Edwin Gordon," and the proposed motion of Mr. Steele in amendment thereto (resumed from September 7.)


LIB

Hugh Guthrie

Liberal

Mr. HUGH GUTHRIE (South Wellington):

Mr. Speaker, I was addressing the

Chair when the hour for Private Bills expired on the 7th September. I wish merely to add that I think every member has received a complete copy of the evidence. Having gone over the matter with some care, and having given it the best consideration I am able to bestow on it, I feel that my vote in the committee was fully justified by the evidence. I think the respondent has been guilty of such conduct as to entitle her husband to the divorce asked for. I think, on the other hand, there has been no evidence of condonation on the part of the husband sufficient to deprive him of the relief he now seeks. During the married life of these parties there have no doubt been occasions when both have been more or less blameworthy. But the acts of adultery charged against the wife in these proceedings all took "place after a separation which had been agreed upon between the parties. I have no hesitation in coming to the conclusion that this petitioner is entitled to the relief which he asks. .

The adaption of the amendment, which proposes to refer the Bill back to the Private Bills Committee for further consideration, would probably result in killing the Bill for this session. This unfortunate petitioner had a Bill before Parliament in 1915, but the time elapsed and no conclusion was to come to. He came again this year in good time-the evidence was taken in the Senate in June-and it would be a grave hardship if the House did not take some action on it at this time, instead of referring it back to the committee, which will probably not meet again during the present session.

Amendment (Mr. Steele) declared lost on the following division:

Messieurs:

Armstrong (Lambton). Bennett (Simcoe), Boivin,

Copp,

Currie,

Doherty,

Donaldson,

Gauvreau,

Graham,

Hartt,

Hughes

(Kings, P.E.I.)* Hughes (Sir Sam), Kyte,

Lapointe

(Kamouraska),

Laurier (Sir Wilfrid), Lewis,

McKenzie,

Morphy,

Morris,

Morrison,

Nicholson,

Oliver,

Papineau,

Robidoux,

Sexsmith,

Shepherd,

Steele,

Taylor.-28.

Messieurs:

Bennett (Calgary),

Borden (Sir Robert),

Boyce,

Boys,

Burrell,

Carvell, *-

Charlton,

Clark (Bruce),

Clark (Red Deer),

Cockshutt,

Crothers,

Davidson,

Foster (Sir George),

Glass,

Guthrie,

Henderson,

Kay,

Kemp (Sir Edward),

Loggie,

Macdonald,

Topic:   GORDON DIVORCE BILL NOT REPORTED FROM COMMITTEE.
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CON

Edgar Nelson Rhodes (Speaker of the House of Commons)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Mr. SPEAKER:

The question is on the

main motion.

Topic:   GORDON DIVORCE BILL NOT REPORTED FROM COMMITTEE.
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September 17, 1917