September 13, 1917


On the Orders of the Day:


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Right Hon. S@

In reply to a question put by the hon. member for Victoria and Haliburton (Sir Sam Hughes) the other day as to the casualties amongst Canadians in the fighting around Lens, the casualties at the front in the Canadian Expeditionary Force so far reported for the period from the 16th to the 31st of August were 7,586. This covers the period of exceptionally severe fighting in and around Lens, where the Canadian forces were heavily engaged. The discharges in Canada during the same period for various causes were 689. This gives a total wastage of 8,275. The total recruits in combatant arms during the same period was approximately 800, making a net wastage of approximately 7,475.

Topic:   THE BATTLE OF LENS.
Subtopic:   CANADIAN CASUALTIES AT DENS-RECRUITING. AND WASTAGE BETWEEN 16TH ND 31ST AUGUST.
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LIB

Wilfrid Laurier (Leader of the Official Opposition)

Liberal

Sir WILFRID LAURIER:

How are the

casualties distributed? How many men were killed, how many wounded, how many missing, and so forth?

Topic:   THE BATTLE OF LENS.
Subtopic:   CANADIAN CASUALTIES AT DENS-RECRUITING. AND WASTAGE BETWEEN 16TH ND 31ST AUGUST.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

I shall be glad to get that information.

Topic:   THE BATTLE OF LENS.
Subtopic:   CANADIAN CASUALTIES AT DENS-RECRUITING. AND WASTAGE BETWEEN 16TH ND 31ST AUGUST.
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CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.

POSITION OP RETURNED OFFICERS UNDER MILITARY SERVICE ACT.


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

The hon. member for Prescott (Mr. Proulx) asked me in the House the other day whether the surplus of officers who have been returned to Canada would be liable for service under the Military Service Act. The information my hon. friend desires is given in the Military Service Act, 78 George V, Chapter 19, in sections 2 and section 13, subsections 1 and 2, and in the schedule to the Act, paragraph 5.

Topic:   CANADIAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   POSITION OP RETURNED OFFICERS UNDER MILITARY SERVICE ACT.
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OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.

PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.


On the Orders of the Day:


CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

The hon. member for Carleton (Mr. Carvell) the other day asked the following question:

I wish to ask the Minister of Militia whether it is a fact that men who have foeen promoted on the field in France and Flanders, and who, having been wounded, return to the base or to Canada, receive only the ,pay of the position which they occupied when they left Canada, while men who received their appointment in England or in Canada, upon being wounded, receive the pay of their present rank.

So far as the department is aware, men who have been promoted on the field in France and Flanders, and who have been wounded, and returned to the base, continue to receive the pay/ of the permanent grade held at the time they were wounded. Men who have received their appointment in England or in Canada, upon being sent overseas, and who have been wounded, would similarly receive the pay of the permanent grade they occupied in their overseas unit.

The above does not apply to men who are holding acting rank only. When men with acting rank are wounded, they receive the pay of their permanent rank.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. F. B. CARVELL:

I understand the minister to say that the men receive pay according to the rank which they held at the time of being wounded.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

The pay depends upon the conditions which I have just indicated.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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LIB

Frank Broadstreet Carvell

Liberal

Mr. CARVELL:

I know of a case in New Brunswick, where a man who was promoted on the field to the rank of Major, and who was afterwards wounded, and returned to Canada, has been receiving the pay of a

Lieutenant all the time. I can give the minister his name privately.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

I shall be glad if my hon. friend would, as there may be some irregularity about this case.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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L-C

Samuel Hughes

Liberal-Conservative

Sir SAM HUGHES:

I understand that

there are some cases where an officer who was acting in a higher rank-for instance, a captain acting as a major-and who had been recommended for promotion which had not been given at the time of his death, has been overlooked. Will the minister look into that matter?

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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CON

Albert Edward Kemp (Minister of Militia and Defence)

Conservative (1867-1942)

Sir EDWARD KEMP:

Yes. In reply to a question by my hon. friend the other day on this subject I would say that officers who voluntarily revert in England to a lower rank, in order to go to the front, receive the pay of their lower rank, but thei* wives continue to receive separation allowance of the original rank which the officers held prior to reversion.

Topic:   OVERSEAS EXPEDITIONARY FORCE.
Subtopic:   PAY OF SOLDIERS PROMOTED AND OF OFFICERS WHO REVERT IN RANK.
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CERTIFICATES TO THOSE MEDICALLY UNFIT.


On the Orders of the Day:


September 13, 1917